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re: Freeman "vs." BK Isn't the Correct Conversation
Posted on 1/17/25 at 7:03 pm to ZenFNmaster
Posted on 1/17/25 at 7:03 pm to ZenFNmaster
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Kelly didn't win any first round wild card playoff games at Notre Dame because they didn't exist when he was there dumbass. It wasn't physically possible. Of course I would have to explain that to you. I suspect you require a lot of explaining to.
Kelly did have them in the 4 team playoff twice though, something that Freeman would not have accomplished this year, being the 7th seed and all. So Freemans best year so far is in actuality a lesser accomplishment than making a BCS Championship game, or a 4 team playoff. With many of BK's players no less.
Last point first. "Many" of BK's players is a whopping 16 of the 44 players on the two-deep, and the majority of the defensive players were directly recruited by Freeman.
Had there been a four-team playoff, both Georgia and Penn State would have been a part of that. Guess who beat both? How many top 4 teams did ND beat under Kelly in the playoffs? ND under Kelly got blown out twice and a third time when you include the 2012 season title game against Bama.
Investing in the program. Nothing is materially different this year than in 2021. BK whining about having a chef for the football team was bogus as ND had a dedicated nutrition team in place the whole time.
Face it. He is a good coach but not a great one. Yes, he can win a championship or two at LSU because he can in fact get the 5-stars he needs to overcome his game preparation and game day coaching. But funny, a lot of people on this board are saying the same exact negative things about him that ND fans said about him. The only people discrediting ND's run this year are LSU fans. Gee, why is that? And by the way, the Georgia fans I met at the Sugar Bowl were 100% class before and after the game...unlike a few people here on this board.
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 7:10 pm to MarkGolf
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The only people discrediting ND's run this year are LSU fans. Gee, why is that?
I doubt any LSU fans would "discredit" your run if we weren't constantly being gaslighted over the whole thing.
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And by the way, the Georgia fans I met at the Sugar Bowl were 100% class before and after the game...unlike a few people here on this board.
Meeting rival fans at a game is a bit different than joining a team message board, to be fair.
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 1/17/25 at 7:12 pm to Lsustev
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Orgeron left Kelly a 30 scholarship player team with a wide receiver playing quarterback.
LSU plays in SEC. Notre Dame’s hardest regular season opponent this year was Navy and lost to …….Northern Illinois.
Interesting, no discussion of the 2022 Fiesta Bowl or the 2 lackluster seasons following Kelly’s departure.
You kind of destroyed your own narrative. Orgeron left the cupboard bare but then Kelly beat Alabama and won the SEC West. Why didn't he continue to build on that? Meanwhile ND under Freeman was worse than LSU the past two years and yet he found a way to turn it around.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 7:30 pm to MarkGolf
When Freeman loses his Senior QB next year nobody will be talking
Posted on 1/17/25 at 7:58 pm to Higgysmalls
I’m not reading all of this but one thing is more important than everything else. Notre Dame decided to abandon their “student athlete” rules and give their program a fighting chance.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:26 pm to MarkGolf
Freeman has seemingly navigated the new frontier of CFB better than Kelly so far.
But we’re LSU fans. We know a lot about coaches that start out hot and then flame out.
But we’re LSU fans. We know a lot about coaches that start out hot and then flame out.
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:38 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Opponent has absolutely nothing to do with my reply. He asked what has Freeman done that BK didn't and I simply stated what he has done. I'm not trying to argue that the teams Freeman beat were better than the teams BK lost to.
Sure opponent and playoff format matters when making this comparison. Freeman did something Kelly never had an opportunity to do. He never played in 12-team field and he never faced realistically beatable opponents. Freeman has not won a playoff game against a team the caliber of Alabama or Clemson in their heyday. That’s the appropriate apples-to-apples comparison.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 7:09 am to Sun God
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Freeman has seemingly navigated the new frontier of CFB better than Kelly so far.
But we’re LSU fans. We know a lot about coaches that start out hot and then flame out.
I'm pretty confident LSU will be very good in 2025. I even think BK can win a national championship there because he can get the athletes. We'll see.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 7:32 am to MarkGolf
I noticed this thread and thought perhaps it would be interesting. I was wrong.
Without spending the time to read it all, I read enough to realize it's 10 pages of children on an anonymous message board, going round & round over an insignificant argument that no one will ever win.
Carry on, kids.
Without spending the time to read it all, I read enough to realize it's 10 pages of children on an anonymous message board, going round & round over an insignificant argument that no one will ever win.
Carry on, kids.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 7:43 am to MarkGolf
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Had there been a four-team playoff, both Georgia and Penn State would have been a part of that. Guess who beat both? How many top 4 teams did ND beat under Kelly in the playoffs? ND under Kelly got blown out twice and a third time when you include the 2012 season title game against Bama
Again since you seem to be having trouble, it’s truly pathetic that Irish fans can’t seem to move past the comparison of Kelly and Freeman to even enjoy what the team is doing on the field. Y’all have this small man complex about having to prove something to Brian Kelly rather than just pulling for your team.
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Investing in the program. Nothing is materially different this year than in 2021. BK whining about having a chef for the football team was bogus as ND had a dedicated nutrition team in place the whole time.
This is just categorically false and Brady Quinn confirmed all of that this week saying BK leaving lit a fire under the fanbase to give whatever was needed that they weren’t giving before. NIL and use of the portal is entirely different.
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Face it. He is a good coach but not a great one. Yes, he can win a championship or two at LSU because he can in fact get the 5-stars he needs to overcome his game preparation and game day coaching.
I’m not facing anything because you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
This post was edited on 1/18/25 at 7:45 am
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:34 am to MarkGolf
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Face it. He is a good coach but not a great one. Yes, he can win a championship or two at LSU because he can in fact get the 5-stars
I love how you are already laying the ground work to disparage Kelly if and when he does win a championship here.
Look, I have been one of Kelly's most ardent supporters here, but even I know that if he doesn't make a deep run in the playoffs in 2025, (barring some kind of crazy run of injuries at key positions) then LSU will begin to work to replace him.
Going forward, he doesn't have any more excuses. He's been given everything he's stated he needs to win here. Now he needs to go out and do it.
The difference here is between you and us is bias. No matter what Kelly does, you all will attempt to diminish him, therefore your opinions are useless and irrelevant.
Also, do you notice how we haven't invaded yall's message boards ? Of course we are going to defend our guy when you come to our house, but most of honestly couldn't give a shite about ND, except of course when you come here and try to diminish him to .. what ? Makes yourselves feel better ?
I'm honestly kind of perplexed why you want us to care about yall so much. Did mommy not give you enough attention as a child ? Be better.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:54 am to MarkGolf
You mofos are making it really hard to be excited for ND. Kinda funny how much yall are hating on BK when he legit dragged yall out the mud. Yall sucked for years before he got there. I can’t imagine shitting on someone who did so much good for you, maybe you’ll learn to respect what he did maybe not. A lot of us still hate Nick Saban but I think that was a bit different.
The facts are still the facts tho man, Freeman was born on 3rd at ND and he’s yet to score. If they lose this game all of this chest pounding will have been for nothing and yall will be right back where you were with Kelly.
The facts are still the facts tho man, Freeman was born on 3rd at ND and he’s yet to score. If they lose this game all of this chest pounding will have been for nothing and yall will be right back where you were with Kelly.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:07 am to MarkGolf
ND is fricking obsessed with Brian Kelly and still jilted about him leaving.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:07 am to Geauxldninja
Yeah, I’m confused at the vitriol from ND fans towards Kelly. They were essentially Nebraska and that guy completely turned them around and made them relevant. He did this all the while adhering to strict academic standards that prevented him from stockpiling talent which led to bad losses against really loaded teams. If this is how they take care of their own I wouldn’t touch that place with a ten foot pole.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 3:10 pm to MarkGolf
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Posted on 1/18/25 at 3:13 pm to Bearded
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Posted on 1/18/25 at 3:50 pm to MarkGolf
Freeman, at this point, has not done anything that BK has already done multiple times. Let’s slow down.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 8:41 pm to ZenFNmaster
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The difference here is between you and us is bias. No matter what Kelly does, you all will attempt to diminish him, therefore your opinions are useless and irrelevant.
I started this thread precisely because I kept reading a bunch of posts diminishing what Freeman and Notre Dame accomplished this year. Sounds like a bunch of jealousy to me.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 8:51 pm to MarkGolf
Notre Dame’s obsession with the Freeman vs Kelley conversation is tiresome. Can y’all all shut the frick up for once and enjoy the success of this year?
Posted on 1/18/25 at 8:56 pm to Geauxldninja
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Kinda funny how much yall are hating on BK when he legit dragged yall out the mud. Yall sucked for years before he got there. I can’t imagine shitting on someone who did so much good for you, maybe you’ll learn to respect what he did maybe not. A lot of us still hate Nick Saban but I think that was a bit different.
The facts are still the facts tho man, Freeman was born on 3rd at ND and he’s yet to score. If they lose this game all of this chest pounding will have been for nothing and yall will be right back where you were with Kelly
A lot of the ND hatred towards Kelly started when Declan Sullivan was killed videoing practice. They also wanted him fired after the disastrous 2016 season.
I for one am not crapping on Kelly helping ND be better. But when we see our team non-competitive against elite competition far worse than the talent disparity on the field (ND had plenty of 4-stars like they do now) and struggle numerous times against completely inferior teams (and losing quite a few), what the hell are we
supposed to think? And now that Freeman did what Kelly was unable to do - win big games in the postseason and at least get ND looking like it belongs in other games, some of y'all here want to caveat the success of the team with ridiculous rationalizations. It looks like more than a few of you are the ones actually obsessed with Notre Dame and Marcus Freeman.
This post was edited on 1/18/25 at 8:57 pm
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