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re: Former tennis player goes public on Davis.*Interesting Updates*
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:12 am to lsupride87
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:12 am to lsupride87
quote:
Look I think the USAtoday article is trash because they drug in innocent players
That couldn't drag the football program through the mud without it. Stories about the tennis program don't get legs.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:21 am to LSU0358
quote:
Look I think the USAtoday article is trash because they drug in innocent players
quote:That's my biggest problem with the article. Players that were accused and then cleared of any wrongdoing are added by the author to add to the volume of wrongdoing by LSU.
That couldn't drag the football program through the mud without it. Stories about the tennis program don't get legs.
She gives the player name, the accusation, and then intentionally leaves it hanging. If they were cleared she makes no mention of it.
And that brings me to my second problem, which is that text that Davis sent Verge. If the author is going to lie by omission (when players were cleared) and state who should be fired like she is the judge overhearing the case why wouldn't a text, supposedly/conveniently deleted by Verge so it can't be verified be faked when it shows guilt, delay, stonewalling, and cover up all wrapped into one.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:23 am to LNCHBOX
I’m not concerned about Davis being innocent or guilt. He got arrested. He plead guilty.
I am Concerns about who at LSU knew what when.
He was suspended from the team and arrested.
The question is how long LSU and LSU football knew before he was suspended.
I am Concerns about who at LSU knew what when.
He was suspended from the team and arrested.
The question is how long LSU and LSU football knew before he was suspended.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:24 am to SammyTiger
Between the basketball allegations, the prior payment allegations related to football from OLOL and OBJ, and now this Title 9 violations, does LSU have to worry about a lack of institutional control charge?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:25 am to lsupride87
Ok just remove the tennis program as our punishment and some administration people. Everybody can move along now.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:26 am to Roscoe
quote:
Between the basketball allegations, the prior payment allegations related to football from OLOL and OBJ, and now this Title 9 violations, does LSU have to worry about a lack of institutional control charge?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:26 am to Fox McCloud
quote:
Ok just remove the tennis program as our punishment and some administration people. Everybody can move along now.
Does it qualify as ironic that a program that only exists to satisfy Title IX requirements is the biggest failure in satisfying Title IX requirements?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:29 am to SammyTiger
quote:
I am Concerns about who at LSU knew what when.
This is my concern as well. When does O know about any of this? Sounds like the initial stuff with the tennis coach is behind the scenes. But what is the time frame between the filmed incident and Davis being off the team? Is Davis participating in team activities at that point?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:32 am to LNCHBOX
quote:He was charged with felonies and pled guilty to multiple misdemeanors. His 18 month sentence was suspended for timed served after days in jail. If the young women had no culpability, where is the outrage over the deal the DA and Judge cut for Davis.
What part of Drake Davis pleads guilty are you retards not getting?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:33 am to lsupride87
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Im not saying she isnt crazy with issues of her own, not at all. From all accounts it was a completely toxic relationship
That's all I'm really saying. I don't think it would have taken a beating, cheating, or other forms of abuse for her to be attracted to him like a fly on shite.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:34 am to XbengalTiger
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He was charged with felonies and pled guilty to multiple misdemeanors. His 18 month sentence was suspended for timed served after days in jail. If the young women had no culpability, where is the outrage over the deal the DA and Judge cut for Davis.
Just to confirm, you agree he pled guilty? Thanks.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:34 am to SammyTiger
quote:And that's where that text comes in:
The question is how long LSU and LSU football knew before he was suspended.
- indicates Verge knew about by admission of guilt by Davis
- shows a delay in action; text was 4/14, Davis removed 8/26
- shows negligence because an admission of guilt by Davis was not acted on and there was second, at least, incident for which Davis was arrested for (failure to take action resulted in her being put in harms way)
- shows that it was an Admin official, not just coach (it was to Verge)
- indicates that she wants to complain to Title IX and the police, which appears not to have happened implying LSU deterred her from both.
Like I said in other posts, that one text (or series of texts) is every institutional accusation wrapped into a couple of sentences that can't be found on Verge's phone, therefore the author assumes it was deleted. We don't even know that LSU is allowing access to the full texts so it might be there, might not. But him deleting it, adding to the fuel that it is an institutional issue is an assumption and hasn't been corroborated by BRPD (at least the best I can find) whom supposedly found it on Davis' phone after the arrest in August and then provided it to USA Today. It is well known, Davis plead guilty; there was no trial for that text to enter the public domain. It very well could have come from a FOIA request.
If that text is real:
- Verge had an admission of assault directly from Davis, he should have been suspended immediately at least IN APRIL.
- Verge should have informed Title IX, immediately and provided them with text. He should have initiated the suspension himself or Alleva should have and informed Orgeron of the action and why.
- Verge should have, at a minimum, contacted law enforcement to see if a report had been made.
- Title IX should have taken from there, regardless if tennis player wanted to file a complaint. That would have led the Title IX investigation to Sell.
So yes, if that text is real LSU athletic admin, not coaches, ignored, sat on, delayed, and other adjectives regarding assault by a football player on a fellow student because Davis was not suspended until following an arrest in August after which they acted swiftly.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:37 am to lsupride87
If you look at her likes on twitter she liked something of Drake Davis’ two days ago. Maybe it was an accident but really strange.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:42 am to lsupride87
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Who thought Women’s Tennis coaches would be the lynchpin that brought the whole thing down
Is there any indication of why the tennis coaches would have sat on this information? That’s the one thing that makes no sense to me. What coach doesn’t stick up for her players? I don’t care if football was involved. It’s bizarre.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:44 am to Keltic Tiger
Her father is going through hell
He has been dealing with this for years, and his other daughter, died recently in what also looks like foul play
He has been dealing with this for years, and his other daughter, died recently in what also looks like foul play
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:44 am to lsupride87
As we all go through life, it's essential to use common sense - this holds true for ALL of us, but especially student athletes.
If my house is on fire: I call the fire department
If I get in a car accident: I call the police
If I'm sick and unable to work: I call my office
If I'm sexually assaulted: I call the police
I'm struggling to understand the mindset of a person that wouldn't do this for a felony crime, as in sexual assault.
Here's another one involving Drake Davis and his girlfriend on the tennis team. It's blatantly obvious of the vindictiveness intent of victim was only to seek revenge.
You never hit a female. Period.
But, when the victim calls a coach, administrator, or anyone other than the police, then it is impossible for me to not question their motives.
If my house is on fire: I call the fire department
If I get in a car accident: I call the police
If I'm sick and unable to work: I call my office
If I'm sexually assaulted: I call the police
I'm struggling to understand the mindset of a person that wouldn't do this for a felony crime, as in sexual assault.
Here's another one involving Drake Davis and his girlfriend on the tennis team. It's blatantly obvious of the vindictiveness intent of victim was only to seek revenge.
quote:
“She's trying to go to compliance for me hitting her, she's trying to get me kick (sic) off the team,” Davis texted Ausberry on April 14, 2018, according to the police report. “I went over there to get my stuff. She got mad that I wouldn't talk to her. She started to hit me. And I hit her In the stomach. (which is not good) and I walked out.””
You never hit a female. Period.
But, when the victim calls a coach, administrator, or anyone other than the police, then it is impossible for me to not question their motives.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:48 am to pelicanpride
quote:Once there was the first complaint, by anyone, that she either sat on indefinitely or even delayed by a little bit she (Sell) was liabile regarding Title IX reporting requirements.
Is there any indication of why the tennis coaches would have sat on this information? That’s the one thing that makes no sense to me. What coach doesn’t stick up for her players? I don’t care if football was involved. It’s bizarre.
Once she did that, anything ever that she reported would inevitably lead to finding that she violated Title IX reporting requirements and her suspension/dismissal.
Once she started down that path, even a half-step, she would lose her job. So I'm venturing a guess that it was simply to save her job. It's similar to having to have 100 big lies to cover up the 1 small lie. And there's probably other personal issues complicating or exacerbating it, but the root motivation was to save her job. That's my theory.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:53 am to I20goon
quote:
- indicates Verge knew about by admission of guilt by Davis
- shows a delay in action; text was 4/14, Davis removed 8/26
The article also shows that a Title IX investigation was ongoing at the end of April. We don’t know exactly when that investigation started.
Davis was banned from summer workouts with the team, but somehow wound up being allowed to attend fall practice when it started. At a minimum, it’s clear that there was more going on internally between April-August than what’s publicly known.
We don’t actually know whether Verge reported the text messages internally or not, and LSU doesn’t reveal these details of Title IX investigations as a matter of policy. It strikes me as a little irresponsible to assume that Verge immediately deleted the text messages and covered it up when Davis told him in the texts that the girl was reporting him to the Title IX department.
If he DID delete the texts without telling anyone then there’s really no excuse. I’m just not ready to jump to that conclusion based on anecdotal evidence when LSU’s policies prevent Verge from defending himself.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:55 am to lsupride87
Sounds like Sell and Verge are the real remaining high up folks involved with any sort of improper behavior, right?
Woodward definitely not involved.
Sell sounds like a real piece of work. They might dissolve that program.
Woodward definitely not involved.
Sell sounds like a real piece of work. They might dissolve that program.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:55 am to Fox McCloud
quote:lol, then you run into ANOTHER Title IX problem completely seperate from this/these.
Ok just remove the tennis program as our punishment and some administration people. Everybody can move along now.
If you remove tennis, you remove female scholarships... so you will then have to remove a men's sport to maintain the proper Female to Male scholarship requirements under Title IX.
By the way, that's the #1 reason there will not be an expansion of the 85 limit to accommodate the "free year" atheletes get this year. You'll have to add women's scholarships if you do that; the NCAA decisions are independent of federal Title IX requirements. It would instantaneously put every school with a football program in Title IX violation.
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