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re: Former tennis player goes public on Davis.*Interesting Updates*

Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:12 am to
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
7920 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:12 am to
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Look I think the USAtoday article is trash because they drug in innocent players


That couldn't drag the football program through the mud without it. Stories about the tennis program don't get legs.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13343 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:21 am to
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Look I think the USAtoday article is trash because they drug in innocent players
quote:

That couldn't drag the football program through the mud without it. Stories about the tennis program don't get legs.
That's my biggest problem with the article. Players that were accused and then cleared of any wrongdoing are added by the author to add to the volume of wrongdoing by LSU.

She gives the player name, the accusation, and then intentionally leaves it hanging. If they were cleared she makes no mention of it.

And that brings me to my second problem, which is that text that Davis sent Verge. If the author is going to lie by omission (when players were cleared) and state who should be fired like she is the judge overhearing the case why wouldn't a text, supposedly/conveniently deleted by Verge so it can't be verified be faked when it shows guilt, delay, stonewalling, and cover up all wrapped into one.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67806 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:23 am to
I’m not concerned about Davis being innocent or guilt. He got arrested. He plead guilty.

I am Concerns about who at LSU knew what when.

He was suspended from the team and arrested.

The question is how long LSU and LSU football knew before he was suspended.
Posted by Roscoe
Member since Sep 2007
2918 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:24 am to
Between the basketball allegations, the prior payment allegations related to football from OLOL and OBJ, and now this Title 9 violations, does LSU have to worry about a lack of institutional control charge?
Posted by Fox McCloud
Member since Oct 2020
3525 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:25 am to
Ok just remove the tennis program as our punishment and some administration people. Everybody can move along now.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96791 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:26 am to
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Between the basketball allegations, the prior payment allegations related to football from OLOL and OBJ, and now this Title 9 violations, does LSU have to worry about a lack of institutional control charge?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
71133 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:26 am to
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Ok just remove the tennis program as our punishment and some administration people. Everybody can move along now.


Does it qualify as ironic that a program that only exists to satisfy Title IX requirements is the biggest failure in satisfying Title IX requirements?
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
7920 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:29 am to
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I am Concerns about who at LSU knew what when.



This is my concern as well. When does O know about any of this? Sounds like the initial stuff with the tennis coach is behind the scenes. But what is the time frame between the filmed incident and Davis being off the team? Is Davis participating in team activities at that point?
Posted by XbengalTiger
212 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
5465 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:32 am to
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What part of Drake Davis pleads guilty are you retards not getting?
He was charged with felonies and pled guilty to multiple misdemeanors. His 18 month sentence was suspended for timed served after days in jail. If the young women had no culpability, where is the outrage over the deal the DA and Judge cut for Davis.
Posted by bgtiger
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2004
11451 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:33 am to
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Im not saying she isnt crazy with issues of her own, not at all. From all accounts it was a completely toxic relationship


That's all I'm really saying. I don't think it would have taken a beating, cheating, or other forms of abuse for her to be attracted to him like a fly on shite.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:34 am to
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He was charged with felonies and pled guilty to multiple misdemeanors. His 18 month sentence was suspended for timed served after days in jail. If the young women had no culpability, where is the outrage over the deal the DA and Judge cut for Davis.


Just to confirm, you agree he pled guilty? Thanks.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13343 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:34 am to
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The question is how long LSU and LSU football knew before he was suspended.
And that's where that text comes in:

- indicates Verge knew about by admission of guilt by Davis
- shows a delay in action; text was 4/14, Davis removed 8/26
- shows negligence because an admission of guilt by Davis was not acted on and there was second, at least, incident for which Davis was arrested for (failure to take action resulted in her being put in harms way)
- shows that it was an Admin official, not just coach (it was to Verge)
- indicates that she wants to complain to Title IX and the police, which appears not to have happened implying LSU deterred her from both.

Like I said in other posts, that one text (or series of texts) is every institutional accusation wrapped into a couple of sentences that can't be found on Verge's phone, therefore the author assumes it was deleted. We don't even know that LSU is allowing access to the full texts so it might be there, might not. But him deleting it, adding to the fuel that it is an institutional issue is an assumption and hasn't been corroborated by BRPD (at least the best I can find) whom supposedly found it on Davis' phone after the arrest in August and then provided it to USA Today. It is well known, Davis plead guilty; there was no trial for that text to enter the public domain. It very well could have come from a FOIA request.

If that text is real:
- Verge had an admission of assault directly from Davis, he should have been suspended immediately at least IN APRIL.
- Verge should have informed Title IX, immediately and provided them with text. He should have initiated the suspension himself or Alleva should have and informed Orgeron of the action and why.
- Verge should have, at a minimum, contacted law enforcement to see if a report had been made.
- Title IX should have taken from there, regardless if tennis player wanted to file a complaint. That would have led the Title IX investigation to Sell.

So yes, if that text is real LSU athletic admin, not coaches, ignored, sat on, delayed, and other adjectives regarding assault by a football player on a fellow student because Davis was not suspended until following an arrest in August after which they acted swiftly.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 10:44 am
Posted by Jabstep
Member since Jul 2014
2134 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:37 am to
If you look at her likes on twitter she liked something of Drake Davis’ two days ago. Maybe it was an accident but really strange.
Posted by pelicanpride
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
1317 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:42 am to
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Who thought Women’s Tennis coaches would be the lynchpin that brought the whole thing down


Is there any indication of why the tennis coaches would have sat on this information? That’s the one thing that makes no sense to me. What coach doesn’t stick up for her players? I don’t care if football was involved. It’s bizarre.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96791 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:44 am to
Her father is going through hell

He has been dealing with this for years, and his other daughter, died recently in what also looks like foul play
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
9963 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:44 am to
As we all go through life, it's essential to use common sense - this holds true for ALL of us, but especially student athletes.

If my house is on fire: I call the fire department
If I get in a car accident: I call the police
If I'm sick and unable to work: I call my office
If I'm sexually assaulted: I call the police

I'm struggling to understand the mindset of a person that wouldn't do this for a felony crime, as in sexual assault.

Here's another one involving Drake Davis and his girlfriend on the tennis team. It's blatantly obvious of the vindictiveness intent of victim was only to seek revenge.
quote:

“She's trying to go to compliance for me hitting her, she's trying to get me kick (sic) off the team,” Davis texted Ausberry on April 14, 2018, according to the police report. “I went over there to get my stuff. She got mad that I wouldn't talk to her. She started to hit me. And I hit her In the stomach. (which is not good) and I walked out.”


You never hit a female. Period.

But, when the victim calls a coach, administrator, or anyone other than the police, then it is impossible for me to not question their motives.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13343 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:48 am to
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Is there any indication of why the tennis coaches would have sat on this information? That’s the one thing that makes no sense to me. What coach doesn’t stick up for her players? I don’t care if football was involved. It’s bizarre.
Once there was the first complaint, by anyone, that she either sat on indefinitely or even delayed by a little bit she (Sell) was liabile regarding Title IX reporting requirements.

Once she did that, anything ever that she reported would inevitably lead to finding that she violated Title IX reporting requirements and her suspension/dismissal.

Once she started down that path, even a half-step, she would lose her job. So I'm venturing a guess that it was simply to save her job. It's similar to having to have 100 big lies to cover up the 1 small lie. And there's probably other personal issues complicating or exacerbating it, but the root motivation was to save her job. That's my theory.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9764 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:53 am to
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- indicates Verge knew about by admission of guilt by Davis
- shows a delay in action; text was 4/14, Davis removed 8/26

The article also shows that a Title IX investigation was ongoing at the end of April. We don’t know exactly when that investigation started.

Davis was banned from summer workouts with the team, but somehow wound up being allowed to attend fall practice when it started. At a minimum, it’s clear that there was more going on internally between April-August than what’s publicly known.

We don’t actually know whether Verge reported the text messages internally or not, and LSU doesn’t reveal these details of Title IX investigations as a matter of policy. It strikes me as a little irresponsible to assume that Verge immediately deleted the text messages and covered it up when Davis told him in the texts that the girl was reporting him to the Title IX department.

If he DID delete the texts without telling anyone then there’s really no excuse. I’m just not ready to jump to that conclusion based on anecdotal evidence when LSU’s policies prevent Verge from defending himself.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
14175 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:55 am to
Sounds like Sell and Verge are the real remaining high up folks involved with any sort of improper behavior, right?

Woodward definitely not involved.

Sell sounds like a real piece of work. They might dissolve that program.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13343 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:55 am to
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Ok just remove the tennis program as our punishment and some administration people. Everybody can move along now.
lol, then you run into ANOTHER Title IX problem completely seperate from this/these.

If you remove tennis, you remove female scholarships... so you will then have to remove a men's sport to maintain the proper Female to Male scholarship requirements under Title IX.

By the way, that's the #1 reason there will not be an expansion of the 85 limit to accommodate the "free year" atheletes get this year. You'll have to add women's scholarships if you do that; the NCAA decisions are independent of federal Title IX requirements. It would instantaneously put every school with a football program in Title IX violation.
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