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Former LSU defenders aren’t blaming coaching, it’s the recruiting, but it’s only year two
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:37 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:37 am
I ask former LSU safety Coach Carrier what was wrong with LSU’s defense , mainly the secondary. He went to the game Saturday so naturally he’s talking to other former players and they all see the main issue. He described LSU’s secondary as horrible but refused to blame how LSU players are being coached. Instead he described the main problem using Skip Bergman’s analogy in the past.
When parent’s would complain to Bertman about their son not playing or not performing well, Skip would tell the parents this all began with the creation of dads sperm with moms egg. However he noted they didn’t create this problem, he created this problem, because never he should have recruited their son. This is why LSU football’s defense is horrible, Carrier noted that these current transfers and players like from Southeastern and other places should never have been recruited by LSU’s coaching staff.
Former players seem to have more patience than the Rant, noting this is only year two for Kelly and his staff. But in describing the play of LSU’s secondary as “horrible” the implication was this should not be acceptable in year four, and Kelly will need to realize that too, and change some staff if he sees it is.
When parent’s would complain to Bertman about their son not playing or not performing well, Skip would tell the parents this all began with the creation of dads sperm with moms egg. However he noted they didn’t create this problem, he created this problem, because never he should have recruited their son. This is why LSU football’s defense is horrible, Carrier noted that these current transfers and players like from Southeastern and other places should never have been recruited by LSU’s coaching staff.
Former players seem to have more patience than the Rant, noting this is only year two for Kelly and his staff. But in describing the play of LSU’s secondary as “horrible” the implication was this should not be acceptable in year four, and Kelly will need to realize that too, and change some staff if he sees it is.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 11:46 am
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:39 am to TrueTigerTale
Riveting jumbled/incoherent write up, my friend
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:39 am to TrueTigerTale
It’s not hard see, secondary is small. Any team that has size at WR will be a problem for LSU. They are working with the hand that was dealt, which wasn’t much. It’s going to take time to develop and recruit
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:42 am to mjax57
I mean we blew multiple coverages.
it doesn’t matter if your 6’7” if you’re not within 15 yards of the TE
it doesn’t matter if your 6’7” if you’re not within 15 yards of the TE
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:44 am to mjax57
Winning the west was a blessing and a curse for CBK. The bar set unrealistically too high too soon?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:45 am to TrueTigerTale
wide open receivers are not from talent
they are confused and undisciplined
sounds like coaching to me.
they are confused and undisciplined
sounds like coaching to me.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:45 am to SammyTiger
Size had nothing to do with the horrible coverage against Arky.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:45 am to TrueTigerTale
We need to go from "needing bodies" to DBU
Talent is deficient and scheme isn't doing them much favors.
Talent is deficient and scheme isn't doing them much favors.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:47 am to nitwit
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Size had nothing to do with the horrible coverage against Arky.
Size and talent had everything to do with failures of LSU’s secondary vs Fla State.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:47 am to lsusteve1
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Talent is deficient and scheme isn't doing them much favors.
Maybe deficient talent is what's dictating the scheme.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:47 am to SammyTiger
There are a ton of issues, not saying that is the only one. Can’t let guys run free like you said. It doesn’t help though, teams won’t fear this secondary regardless due to that. Even when we are in good position, it’s hard to defend. if the DL isn’t getting sacks, it’s always going to be a rough night (which isn’t a lot).
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:48 am to TBoy@LSU
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Maybe deficient talent is what's dictating the scheme.
Well, die doing something different (man 2 man) because the zone isn't working.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:49 am to mjax57
i’d rather them try and make them jump for a Football than have a TE running wide open.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:49 am to SammyTiger
Agreed. Blown coverages and lack of energy is very alarming. When we manage to not blow a coverage, we allow YAC because we seem scared of contact. Flip on any old reel of LSU defense, you will see hard hitting, players running to the ball, and making offenses regret going near the ball. Turn on this years games, it is us (the defense) who seems timid around the ball and scared to make contact.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:49 am to TBoy@LSU
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Talent is deficient and scheme isn't doing them much favors. Maybe deficient talent is what's dictating the scheme.
You nailed it. 100% accurate
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:50 am to SammyTiger
No argument there. It was inexcusable to let him just run free all night considering that was his guy. I believe a lot of it is mental, maybe they need to dumb it down even more.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:58 am to mjax57
he is 6’3” 240 and we treated him like they sent out another OT in #9 uniform
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:59 am to mjax57
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Any team that has a WR will be a problem for LSU
FIFY
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:01 pm to TrueTigerTale
The problem is both the players and the coaching/scheme.
1) We have some players that aren't talented enough to play in the SEC. That is a fact.
2) For the ones that are, the coaches are forcing them into a scheme that is not built for them and actually makes them worse.
You can try and say its purely talent, but these coaches recruited the players and developed the scheme. It is entirely on them in the end.
The one thing that makes great DCs is their ability to adjust their scheme to match the talent around them. If they only perform when the talent perfectly matches their scheme, they aren't a great DC.
Spags sucked with the Saints in 2012 because of this reason. He's seen as a great DC, but in reality, he has always required specific types of players for his scheme. In places that didn't match, he was awful. In places it did, he was successful.
House is the same. He's stubborn and would rather die from a thousand little cuts than fight back but risk a big one. It's pathetic and horrid strategy for a team with a lot to play for.
It is the reason that LSU lost the FSU game. Go back and watch the second half and watch how FSU adjusted to what House was doing and destroyed them. Other teams took note and even freaking Grambling was shredding this team in the first quarter and a half. It only stopped because of the ridiculous talent gap. MSU is a bad offense and LSU took advantage.
Arky saw the issues/flaws in House's scheme with these players and shredded it.
He's simply not that good of a DC if he can't adjust to his talent. That says a lot about both him and Kelly.
1) We have some players that aren't talented enough to play in the SEC. That is a fact.
2) For the ones that are, the coaches are forcing them into a scheme that is not built for them and actually makes them worse.
You can try and say its purely talent, but these coaches recruited the players and developed the scheme. It is entirely on them in the end.
The one thing that makes great DCs is their ability to adjust their scheme to match the talent around them. If they only perform when the talent perfectly matches their scheme, they aren't a great DC.
Spags sucked with the Saints in 2012 because of this reason. He's seen as a great DC, but in reality, he has always required specific types of players for his scheme. In places that didn't match, he was awful. In places it did, he was successful.
House is the same. He's stubborn and would rather die from a thousand little cuts than fight back but risk a big one. It's pathetic and horrid strategy for a team with a lot to play for.
It is the reason that LSU lost the FSU game. Go back and watch the second half and watch how FSU adjusted to what House was doing and destroyed them. Other teams took note and even freaking Grambling was shredding this team in the first quarter and a half. It only stopped because of the ridiculous talent gap. MSU is a bad offense and LSU took advantage.
Arky saw the issues/flaws in House's scheme with these players and shredded it.
He's simply not that good of a DC if he can't adjust to his talent. That says a lot about both him and Kelly.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:05 pm to Geauxgurt
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That says a lot about both him and Kelly.
Knew CBK would be thrown in there
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