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re: Forgive me for missing this Marcus Freeman line
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:53 pm to Miketheseventh
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:53 pm to Miketheseventh
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He is Mike Archer 2.0. He was the one that the players wanted. He is also the one that Arnsparger was lobbying for. We know how that turned out
But at least in that case the continuity did lead to a Top 5 finish and an SEC championship in the first two seasons before the wheels came off. ND didn’t even get that with Freeman.
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:00 pm to TheDeathValley
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Kelly did not leave the cupboard baron.
Snoopy fought in the skies over Germany against "The Bloody Red Barren".
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:04 pm to Milo of Croton
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need to take a step back to move forward. Sure ND was winning 10+ games per year the last 5 years, but what happened in the NY6 bowls and CFP bowl games? EMBARRASSING LOSSES. The reality is, the program wasn't close to beating the elites. There was ZERO improvement in those types of games from 2012 through 2020. ZERO!! This wasn't going to change under Kelly because he was set on recruiting down a different aisle.
I honestly can’t say I disagree …
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:13 pm to Jim Hopper
Yep. Made no sense why they didnt hire fickell, and then freeman to cincy wouldve made perfect sense for all.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:43 pm to GentleJackJones
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I honestly can’t say I disagree …
The only part I disagree with is the implication that the ceiling they had hit was Kelly’s fault and not the limitations of what ND was capable of being in the modern era. Now, it is possible that NIL could reset that map again if ND can tap into their vast donor base, but before that ND just wasn’t a natural fit anymore as a college football powerhouse.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:56 pm to timdonaghyswhistle
It’s like politics
Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:36 pm to Captain Crown
This happened because they didn't really allow him to get his own OC. Tommy Rees is awful. They also can't just get any QB out the transfer portal becsuse if they could, there were plenty to go after (aka, those academic requirements strike again).
His defense isn't the problem, the problem is the offense. If they allow him to get his guy in there and they get a QB, they'll be fine in 2 years.
Hopefully they don't set the dude up for failure and run him off after 2 years. If they do, maybe he is available when Matt House ultimately leaves for a NFL DC job or college HC job.
His defense isn't the problem, the problem is the offense. If they allow him to get his guy in there and they get a QB, they'll be fine in 2 years.
Hopefully they don't set the dude up for failure and run him off after 2 years. If they do, maybe he is available when Matt House ultimately leaves for a NFL DC job or college HC job.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:05 am to Datbayoubengal
What has Racist Ryan said about this recently? Remember, LSU hired "just another white dude" when we hired CBK.
What is the official narrative now from racists like Clark, SAS, etc on the Mickey Mouse network?
What is the official narrative now from racists like Clark, SAS, etc on the Mickey Mouse network?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:08 am to Captain Crown
Setting himself up for doing better than awful next year and having fans excuse it as improvement.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:10 am to BayouCowboy
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Freeman for 2022 season: 3-3 Not the start a lot of ND fans expected.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:11 am to Datbayoubengal
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This happened because they didn't really allow him to get his own OC.
It happened because he was a knee jerk hire and isn't ready for coaching at this level.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:14 am to Captain Crown
He didn’t use the word alignment. Did the learn anything from BK!
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:29 am to MikeTheTiger71
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The only part I disagree with is the implication that the ceiling they had hit was Kelly’s fault and not the limitations of what ND was capable of being in the modern era.
I’ve brought this up before…but NDs “slide” began in ‘94 when the 85 limit was in place from the 95 limit…those 10 extra players made a big difference for them. It’s why Lou Holtz bolted after the ‘96 season when he had a lifetimes contract, he knew, but will never admit it…
ND only had 2 double digit win seasons from ‘94 until BK arrived in 2010 and he had 7 including his last 5 seasons…
Until ND admits the problem with ND is ND and lower their academic standards for players or catches lightning in a bottle with a generational QB, they will not win another title…
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:44 am to Captain Crown
Just wait till Kelly starts recruiting those old stomping grounds and Freeman cant land the big recruits ND use to get (big being relative)
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:34 am to Milo of Croton
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The ND message boards have been on fire lately. Check out this cope post.
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need to take a step back to move forward. Sure ND was winning 10+ games per year the last 5 years, but what happened in the NY6 bowls and CFP bowl games? EMBARRASSING LOSSES.
The reality is, the program wasn't close to beating the elites. There was ZERO improvement in those types of games from 2012 through 2020. ZERO!! This wasn't going to change under Kelly because he was set on recruiting down a different aisle.
The question I have for everyone here is, do you want to win a championship every so often and be in the mix every year or be in the mix, but in reality have no shot at winning.
Personally, the last 5 years were smoke and mirrors. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig. The wheels were bound to fall off at some point, they would have last season if they didn't bring in Coan. This year they they decided to rip the bandaid off and go with who they have. It backfired, but that was the decision.
The recruiting has been much better, let's see if the classes hold together or they fall apart, we'll know in a couple of months how the 2022 class ends up.
We've heard this song before, haven't we?
This is nothing more than a continuation of the "Kelly sucked and was holding us back from BIG THINGS" argument that domers have been spewing since Kelly fled South Bend.
The only difference is now they're in the second stage of coaching change grief: making excuses for why your new coach isn't immediately doing better than your old coach. This stage won't last long if ND keeps shitting the bed on the field.
I expect they'll be in the third stage of coaching change grief very soon - expecting your new coach to bring back the glory in a few years "when he has HIS guys working in HIS system".
Based on the history so far, that's going to be a short-lived step on the way to the fourth stage: "The AD screwed up, hired the wrong guy, and the sky is falling. Can his arse and entire coaching staff and start over".
LOL at the Domers.
BTW: LSU fans are extremely familiar with the four stages of coaching change grief during the reign of the Ogre.
I have no sympathy for the domer shite-talkers - Touchdown Jesus has left Chicago, and is bound for New Orleans (via Baton Rouge)....
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:37 am to CatfishJohn
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Let us not forget Freeman told LSU yes to our DC job at dinner, shook hands on it, got on our private plane back home and leveraged us for more money from Notre Dame.
I’ve had hundreds of people give me a verbal and then accept a counter offer. There’s nothing wrong with that. Mostly, they made an honest evaluation between alternatives, then one of the alternatives changed, and they reevaluated. I hate it when it happens, but I don’t blame them.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:37 am to MikeTheTiger71
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He is Mike Archer 2.0. He was the one that the players wanted. He is also the one that Arnsparger was lobbying for. We know how that turned out
But at least in that case the continuity did lead to a Top 5 finish and an SEC championship in the first two seasons before the wheels came off. ND didn’t even get that with Freeman.
You can ditto that for Orgeron after Miles.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:39 am to MikeTheTiger71
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This makes absolutely no sense. The ONLY reason to hire Freeman with such a lack of experience was for the sake of continuity.
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MikeTheTiger71
Excellent point! That gives the lie to Freeman’s craven evasion of accountability.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:41 am to Jack Crevalle
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When he's canned, their AD should be fired too for hiring him.
No, I disagree. The AD has other constraints on him, aside from winning. Take off those constraints, and THEN you can hold him accountable for losing.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:42 am to tWatsonTiger
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He pretty much inherited what Les Miles did from Nick Saban. Not saying he has 4*-5* full roster, but he should be able to do better?
The team Ed inherited had a higher average recruiting ranking than the one Les did. Just saying.
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