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re: For those BCS lovers who think...
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:27 pm to AlxTgr
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:27 pm to AlxTgr
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I don't think I would be for a 16 team playoff, but an 8 team playoff would NOT diminish the regular season. 1-loss could easily drop you out of the top 8 at the end of the season, thus this whole "makes the regular season irrelevant" argument is in fact irrelevant.
It might actually make it more exciting, considering that pretty much the top 12-15 teams would still be vying for a chance at a national title well into November, instead of 4 or 5 teams.
This! Never understood this argument against playoff. It actually makes the regular season more relevant for more teams.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:29 pm to chilge1
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We have clenched a spot in the playoffs
Making the next two weeks completely irrelevant, eh?
Exactly why I DON'T want a playoff.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:46 pm to Mr. Allman
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this is what makes me nervous about a playoff system. It would de-value the regular season, which is the most amazing in all of sports IMO FWIW
I disagree. If the 16 team playoff includes 12 conference winners and 4 at large teams, you can't just assume that you will win your conference championship game. Thus you need as many wins as possible (if only for seeding).
And to those that say the 6 non-BCS champs don't deserve a spot, well you are probably right. But this makes sure everyone gets a shot, and it does provide the highest seeds with the equivalent of a bye (not so much the Mountain West and WAC, but the others).
Come on, people! Think about the awesome match ups with everything on the line!
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:50 pm to Datbayoubengal
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6 conference champs 2 at large, highest rated plays lowest rated so the season will always matter.
I would actually go for 10 teams (just like the number chosen for the BCS). 6 champs and 4 at large. The 4 lowest seeds have to play in a "wild card" round to make the final 8.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 11:00 pm to DocBugbear
Season would maintain relevance. Higher rank would guarantee home games. And we would need to maintain a high rank to get an at large bid this year which would not happen if we lost to ole miss and arky. What is difficult to understand about this?
Posted on 11/15/10 at 11:41 pm to SG_Geaux
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Exactly why I DON'T want a playoff.
Did you read the whole thread? I just explained how an 8 team playoff would not only not diminish the regular season, but would in fact make it more interesting. The "take away from the regular season" argument holds no ground, it's simply speculation.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:00 am to SaltyTiger53
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The season would be way more exciting because we control our own destiny. Instead of having to root against TCU, Boise, Oregon, and Auburn, we could relentlessly cheer for the Tigers alone with confidence that WE CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY..
I cannot comprehend the lack of logic that goes into the BCS System, and I hope a playoff is put in play in the near future, regardless of the greedy bastards who are trying to prevent it.
I want a playoff as well, but you could also end up in the same position at #9 needing the teams above you to slip. A playoff does not rule out the scenario you are predicting, but it does make the chances the team involved would be a contender less likely.
All formats have their issues, I mean there is a damn entire 4 hour show devoted to "bubble" teams and "the first one's out" for a 65 man tourney. It doesn't stop.. it just changes.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:02 am to rintintin
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argument holds no ground, it's simply speculation.
yeah because we have no other examples to draw conclusions from right. OHHHH wait yeah we do, and Indy proved all this true just last year.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:06 am to pitbull20
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yeah because we have no other examples to draw conclusions from right. OHHHH wait yeah we do, and Indy proved all this true just last year.
Ummm, are you trying to compare college to the NFL? If you can't see the fault in doing this then I don't even want to waste my time arguing.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 9:31 am to rintintin
[quote]Ummm, are you trying to compare college to the NFL? If you can't see the fault in doing this then I don't even want to waste my time arguing.[/quote]
Yet you will argue a system that has obvious flaws year in and year out. Oklahoma got beat 35-7 and STILL made the title game in 03...Anytime you allow people's opinions to arrange a title game it will never be fair. You don't think these voters have favorites and vote accordingly? At least with a playoff of 16 teams the top 12-14 teams will be assured of a chance while 15-20 will be subjected to the voters and computers. Definitely a better chance to get it right. Season would not be devalued if teams are palying for seeding to determine home teams.
There is no basis for an arguement against a playoff....show me one example of another sport that doesn't use a playoff to determine the champion. If the BCS is a sound and solid way to crown a champion why wouldn't lower divisions of cfb and the NFL adopt the system?
Yet you will argue a system that has obvious flaws year in and year out. Oklahoma got beat 35-7 and STILL made the title game in 03...Anytime you allow people's opinions to arrange a title game it will never be fair. You don't think these voters have favorites and vote accordingly? At least with a playoff of 16 teams the top 12-14 teams will be assured of a chance while 15-20 will be subjected to the voters and computers. Definitely a better chance to get it right. Season would not be devalued if teams are palying for seeding to determine home teams.
There is no basis for an arguement against a playoff....show me one example of another sport that doesn't use a playoff to determine the champion. If the BCS is a sound and solid way to crown a champion why wouldn't lower divisions of cfb and the NFL adopt the system?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 9:38 am to SaltyTiger53
I think if there was a playoff we trade NC's 06 for 07
Posted on 11/16/10 at 9:44 am to Jaydeaux
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I think if there was a playoff we trade NC's 06 for 07
If there was a playoff, we are back to back NC in 2006 & 2007!
Also, the next 2 weeks wouldn't be irrelevant! If LSU lost next 2 games, they'd miss the playoffs!
Posted on 11/16/10 at 10:40 am to Topwater Trout
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There is no basis for an arguement against a playoff....show me one example of another sport that doesn't use a playoff to determine the champion.
Well it is a 2 team playoff. And college football is my favorite sport and this is part of the reason.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 10:52 am to Topwater Trout
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There is no basis for an arguement against a playoff....show me one example of another sport that doesn't use a playoff to determine the champion. If the BCS is a sound and solid way to crown a champion why wouldn't lower divisions of cfb and the NFL adopt the system?
I'm ambivalent about it, since I enjoy the chaos and I dont need college football to be the same as NFL. The BCS, in almost every case, gets it right. The best teams are the champs.
And playoffs dont necessarily crown the best team either. They reward the team that gets hot at the end of a season. Perfect example is 2007 (or was it 2008?) when the Patriots finished 18-1 and are a footnote in history, while the Giants finished 14-5 and somehow are the champs. The Pats beat the Giants the last game of the season and had way more wins. All that was rendered meaningless bc the Giants got hot in the playoffs and won a rematch. Logically, the Pats shouldnt have even had to beat the Giants a second time.
In a 4 team playoff, there would be chaos every time there are 2, 3, or 5 or more deserving teams. In 2005, why would any team other than Texas and USC be in the championship hunt at the end? In 2004, there were 3 unbeatens. Adding an undeserving 4th team to the mix is nonsensical.
In an 8 team playoff with the conference champs, this year we'd have undeserving teams from Big East and ACC in the mix, while Oregon and AU get dick for finishing undefeated. And there may be numerous 1-loss teams with stronger claims to a playoff spot. TCU and Boise would get the 2 at large bids, and LSU would probably be locked out.
There are issues with every format, so I will just enjoy whichever we have.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 10:54 am to rintintin
8 team playoff is NOT happening.
I can live with 4 though! We still need somebody to drop a spot in that scenario. Lot better than a myriad of things to happen for us to get to the title game!
I can live with 4 though! We still need somebody to drop a spot in that scenario. Lot better than a myriad of things to happen for us to get to the title game!
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:05 am to biglego
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And playoffs dont necessarily crown the best team either. They reward the team that gets hot at the end of a season. Perfect example is 2007 (or was it 2008?) when the Patriots finished 18-1 and are a footnote in history, while the Giants finished 14-5 and somehow are the champs. The Pats beat the Giants the last game of the season and had way more wins. All that was rendered meaningless bc the Giants got hot in the playoffs and won a rematch. Logically, the Pats shouldnt have even had to beat the Giants a second time.
If more teams have a chance of winning a title wouldn't that make cfb even more intriquing? If your team loses a game or 2 they still are playing for the opportunity to make the playoffs....which to me would make the season even better. Not to mention the excitement of seeing USC come to Tiger stadium in mid december for the right to play in the title game.
I don't think anyone devalues the giants superbowl win b/c it was played on the field.
With the current format of bowls I believe its unfair to the fans and players to wait anywhere b/w 4-6 weeks to play after the final regular season game. There is no telling how a team will play with that kind of layoff. Some seem to play well (LSU) and others do not. Also 20 years ago there wasn't half as many bowls as there is today. A team loses 3 or 4 games and is still playiong for the opportunity to play in a bowl game. Playing at neutral sites is boring and a lot of true fans aren't able to travel to these games.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:11 am to Topwater Trout
6 team playoff is the only way I'd be for it.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:14 am to Topwater Trout
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I don't think anyone devalues the giants superbowl win b/c it was played on the field.
No they won, but IMO the Pats were the best team that year.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:18 am to SaltyTiger53
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For those BCS lovers who think...
a playoff would kill the regular season, look at our beloved #5 LSU.
For the playoff lovers who think a playoff would solve all of our problems heres some stuff to think.
1. Do you want the rest of the season to matter?
2. You gonna pay for the hotel room and plane tickets to miami and then the next week to tempe and the next to pasedena to see us play wisconsin boise and TCU?
Or do you want a historical matchup vs two historical programs and have an enjoyable vacation in addition to having the prestige of a bowl that has been around for years?
Bottom line-bowls make money. You aint gonna get 10 million+ per team per round. Second playoffs cost fans money. Bowls are a one time deal. You are gonna have less actual fan support per round and just corporate seats/local bystanders in attendance.
College D-1 football is unique. Thats part of the tradition and what makes it great. Leave it.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:22 am to Mr. Allman
quote:No it wouldn't, unless you place no value in hosting a first round playoff game on the higher seeded home field.
this is what makes me nervous about a playoff system. It would de-value the regular season
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