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re: For old times sakes I suppose we could argue about JLEE and JJ

Posted on 3/19/20 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
24298 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 8:48 pm to
Hang on, let me adjust my shoulder pads.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10186 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 9:38 pm to
You young fans don't remember the Hallman years like we do. 10-2/9-3 are good enough. Sure I'd like more, but these are still the Golden Years!
Posted by Bristol Dawg
God's Country
Member since Jul 2016
2934 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 9:39 pm to
Beleeve
Posted by Richiey
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2010
33 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 10:14 pm to
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Pick 6 Lee is the worst QB to ever put on a LSU uniform


Andrew Hatch says hello....
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10023 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 10:17 pm to
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No ill feelings towards the player, but still prefer we had stuck with Lee for the entire season.


We wouldn’t have won the West if we did this.
Posted by the obvious one
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2018
524 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 11:22 pm to
How about what coulda been with Zach Lee.
Posted by JustLivinTheDream
Member since Jan 2017
3497 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 12:02 am to
Don't forget

Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44571 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 12:14 am to
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The first 9 games of the 2011 season with JLee at QB were lights out. That was the second best Offense to 2019.


01, 03, 06, 07, and 13 laugh at this.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56348 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 12:17 am to
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The first 9 games of the 2011 season with JLee at QB were lights out. That was the second best Offense to 2019. JLee could have been so good under a better Coaching staff.
Yet his numbers were still similar to JJ...who was not real good.......we are literally discussing two mediocre Qbs, no matter.

You want to see terrible? Go Jennings v Harris V Hatch

Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
35541 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:04 am to
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The first 9 games of the 2011 season with JLee at QB were lights out. That was the second best Offense to 2019. JLee could have been so good under a better Coaching staff.
This is false. I liked Lee but he turned into a deer in headlights when pressure was applied. It's why he was so bad against Bama. No amount of coaching can change that.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 6:17 am to
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The first 9 games of the 2011 season with JLee at QB were lights out. That was the second best Offense to 2019. JLee could have been so good under a better Coaching staff.


Wrong. The offense was propped up by the defense all year long. They were constantly on short fields. They were an extremely efficient Redzone offense that’s why they put up the scoring numbers they did but the yards per game was not great. The offensive game plan was literally don’t turn the ball over and wait for the defense to make a play. No team in the country was able to drive the length of the field on that defense consistently. That’s why Miles went with JJ when he could. He knew JJ would take a sack before throwing a bad pass but Lee would just throw it up when the pressure came. This strategy would have won a NC if they played anyone but Bama in that game. Bama was the better team. They were in the game of the century and LSU was lucky to leave with a win.

With that said, I wish Miles would have put Lee in the second half of the NC. I don’t think it would have made a difference in the game but would have saved us from years of debating over whether it would have lol.
Posted by Samso
nyc
Member since Jun 2013
4730 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 6:31 am to
The revisionist history about JLee is incredible over here.

He was horrible!
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39375 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:38 am to
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The first 9 games of the 2011 season with JLee at QB were lights out. That was the second best Offense to 2019. JLee could have been so good under a better Coaching staff

All wrong. J Lee simply did not have the courage to play the position. The 2011 offense was only successful because it had a good (not great) running game and a defense that wore the other team out.

Do you remember all those plays Burrow made this year by cooly moving around the pocket? Forget those with Lee. He would have panicked and vomited the ball somewhere on the field.
Posted by s2
Southdowns
Member since Sep 2016
5570 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:02 am to
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Hell, why not try anything?! Something?! Obviously saban had our gameplan figured out and we should have just trashed it at halftime and went on to something else. We should have thrown the kitchen sink at them in the second half to try and win the title, but nope. Let's just keep doing the same old lame shite that hasn't worked all game. Miles got outcoached by saban in that game big-time.
Miles was outcoached? probably.
Miles was exposed for his lack of on field coaching in that game and all games going forward.

poor clock management stands out as one example.
offense? QB recruits? play calling? scheme? player usage (Shepard)?

yeh yeh, i know, meh CLM's. he was here too long.

Posted by 1badboy
In space
Member since Jul 2014
8103 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 9:06 am to
JJ sucked but Lester loved him that boy! His brother was 100 times better than JJ in his position!!!
Posted by caliegeaux
Member since Aug 2004
10165 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 9:38 am to
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quote:
The first 9 games of the 2011 season with JLee at QB were lights out. That was the second best Offense to 2019. JLee could have been so good under a better Coaching staff.


quote:
LSU doesn’t beat Alabama in 2011 in Tuscaloosa without Jordan Jefferson.


Both statements are completely true.



very true.........and my argument then and now is, as many times that Lee came in to "save" a win while JJ was starting, but JJ continued to be the starter, that win in T-town didn't warrant JJ overtaking Lee for all that Lee had done previously. Going into the Middle Tenn game I believe, when they named JJ the starter, I got ill. Defense and special teams made those last few games look like huge offensive performances..........and Nick was licking his chops knowing Miles was going to not change a thing.
Posted by geauxrugby
Tulsa, OK
Member since Jul 2012
175 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 9:55 am to
JJ should have never started at QB that year. No other coach would have replaced JLee with the season he was having and the way the team was playing. Remember, JJ lost his job during the offseason for being an idiot, not due to injury. JLee’s stats for the year were 62% completion rate, 14 TDs and only 3 INTs. His QB rating was 152. With our defense, that was easily good enough to win us the championship.
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