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Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:38 pm to Scoob
My read on it is that O will get fired with cause.
Woodward didn’t hire O so he has no allegiance and he probably wants to get started building his program.
I suspect that Woodward feels as though he has enough dirt on O to make the case. This isn’t one to buff on since it could be a costly bluff.
Keeping O around is risky for Woodward at this point. Woodward wants to create his own program and O is not exactly onboard with that. The relationship is reportedly strained. I imagine a power struggle is underway and O is bullheaded enough to not see that he doesn’t have the winning hand.
If O was here next year, I’d be shocked. It’ll all carry into court or some sort of settlement with O getting a decent amount of money and a gag order to just go away.
Woodward didn’t hire O so he has no allegiance and he probably wants to get started building his program.
I suspect that Woodward feels as though he has enough dirt on O to make the case. This isn’t one to buff on since it could be a costly bluff.
Keeping O around is risky for Woodward at this point. Woodward wants to create his own program and O is not exactly onboard with that. The relationship is reportedly strained. I imagine a power struggle is underway and O is bullheaded enough to not see that he doesn’t have the winning hand.
If O was here next year, I’d be shocked. It’ll all carry into court or some sort of settlement with O getting a decent amount of money and a gag order to just go away.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:49 pm to Scoob
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the general consensus is that O is NOT clean
Not clean in what regard? Recruiting?
The OLOL stuff with Alexander was way before Orgeron (2012) and the only other violation was OBJ handing out money.
If the you're talking about Title IX stuff, I guess we'll have to see what the independent investigation uncovers, but the USA today reporting doesn't really link Orgeron to anything. One player thought maybe he knew that Guice had assaulted his gf, but Orgeron's response about it certainly didn't seem like he knew the whole story.
Anyway, I'm ready for him to go, but this seems like wild speculation.
Also. I think he'll coach somewhere if he wants a job. Obviously depending on what comes out about his involvement. He could end up being radioactive like Art Briles, but if he's not, I could see a mid level P5 program taking a hard look at him. Kind of like ASU with Herm Edwards.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:50 pm to BayouCatFan
Totally not trying to seem as I’m on the inside. Because I’m not. I was referencing someone on here stating O had the clause in his contract,
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:58 pm to UpToPar
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He’s not going to walk away from millions of dollars.
No matter how he goes, he’s getting paid SOMETHING, and that something will come with an NDA attached. The last thing LSU needs is a former recruiting specialist with an ax to grind in the wind looking for some payback.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:00 pm to des4271
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Totally not trying to seem as I’m on the inside. Because I’m not. I was referencing someone on here stating O had the clause in his contract,
Please forgive me. I wasnt meaning you. I have a bad habit of just replying to the latest poster.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:01 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Would be diaster for both
The discovery for a lawsuit could be more damaging than any NCAA investigation.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:03 pm to lsutigertalk
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Wouldn’t need to be that extreme to fire with cause. Look at Arkansas firing firing Petrino for sleeping with a staff member.
Wrong. Petrino was fired because he broke state law for his side piece. He created a job for someone he was in a sexual relationship with that made her his subordinate. He also hired her over more qualified candidates without an interview process. That last bit was the killer. There was no getting around that.
This post was edited on 12/9/20 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:09 pm to misey94
If TBL is right about things getting worse, and others are right in speculating we get hit hard by the NCAA, it will be harder than ever to get a quality coach.
Who would be our “Mike Shula”? Someone to hold the line and not embarrass you long enough for things to get better.
Who would be our “Mike Shula”? Someone to hold the line and not embarrass you long enough for things to get better.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:10 pm to whitefoot
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Not clean in what regard? Recruiting?
There were many on this board who didn't want Les to hire Orgeron because they feared he'd get the NCAA poking around. At the very least, he always had a reputation of pushing the limits of the rules.
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If the you're talking about Title IX stuff, I guess we'll have to see what the independent investigation uncovers, but the USA today reporting doesn't really link Orgeron to anything.
I know TBL said heads will roll, so I'm very curious about all the smoke around Orgeron at this point, because like you said, the USA Today article didn't directly connect him to any violations.
I can't tell if people truly believe he was complicit in sweeping things under the rug, or if they just want him to be sacrificed to avoid paying the buyout.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:17 pm to BhamTigah
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If TBL is right about things getting worse, and others are right in speculating we get hit hard by the NCAA, it will be harder than ever to get a quality coach. Who would be our “Mike Shula”? Someone to hold the line and not embarrass you long enough for things to get better.
I may get downvoted all to hell, but I say promote Steve Ensminger. If called upon to take on the hardest coaching job ever, I think he would do it. He would bring in a solid, squeaky clean staff and ride out the storm for the 2-3 years necessary. And then he would step aside when you need him to. You need a guy who is respected in a situation like you are talking about and E definitely is.
I am not a fan of E as an offensive coordinator. I didn’t like it at all when O put him in that role after Canada flamed out. However, this isn’t him creating offensive gameplans. This is an LSU alum who loves the school to the core and would do the right thing to get the program back on track.
ETA: I am only advocating this as the nuclear winter option. Title IX takes a bite out of us. O is gone. The NCAA hits us for more penalties. Mass roster defections. You aren’t getting a name HC in this case.
This post was edited on 12/9/20 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:21 pm to nvasil1
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I can't tell if people truly believe he was complicit in sweeping things under the rug, or if they just want him to be sacrificed to avoid paying the buyout.
The issue if you are trying to send him packing for free is proof. You would have to have enough to fend off a wrongful termination suit, because they all do it. If low hanging fruit on O was out there, it would have already been picked and he would be toast.
The more realistic option would be get enough force O to negotiate a lower buyout with lots of NDAs and strings attached. He may not have the money for a long lawsuit, so this would be an easier exit for him than the alternative.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:26 pm to BhamTigah
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If TBL is right about things getting worse, and others are right in speculating we get hit hard by the NCAA, it will be harder than ever to get a quality coach.
Maybe, maybe not. Penn State managed to hire Bill O'Brien, then Franklin. Baylor landed Rhule (granted after a year with Jim Grobe). Michigan State pulled Mel Tucker away from Colorado in February.
None of this is good, but I don't believe it'll be impossible to still hire a quality guy if we need to clean house, and don't wait until May.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:30 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
TBL, you are way more appreciated on here than not!
I will simply ask this...Is all of this gonna go down fairly quick, or is going to drag on?
I will simply ask this...Is all of this gonna go down fairly quick, or is going to drag on?
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:33 pm to nvasil1
I just feel LSU has to be appealing for the recruiting benefits alone. Programs get sanctioned all the time. They still find good coaches.
On the other hand, we may be the next USC. That’s scary to think about. They have sucked for some time.
On the other hand, we may be the next USC. That’s scary to think about. They have sucked for some time.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:35 pm to nvasil1
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Maybe, maybe not. Penn State managed to hire Bill O'Brien, then Franklin. Baylor landed Rhule (granted after a year with Jim Grobe). Michigan State pulled Mel Tucker away from Colorado in February. None of this is good, but I don't believe it'll be impossible to still hire a quality guy if we need to clean house, and don't wait until May.
Bill O’Brien wasn’t a prize. Grobe did Baylor a favor because he didn’t want to see their program burn. Rhule was a great hire in retrospect, but at the time it was at least a year ahead of schedule. He was just a good coach who had turned Temple around. That was also after Grobe. The immediate disaster hire is the problem. Michigan State’s football program wasn’t directly implicated in their scandals. Their problem was that their coach just faded and had to be fired. And Mel Tucker was also their 3rd or 4th choice.
Would E be worse than Matt Luke? How about John L Smith? Remember that fricking lunatic? You just need a guy who will ride out the hard part and leave when you need him to. The odds of hitting on a hire like we’re talking about is remote.
I just hope it doesn’t get this bleak and we aren’t having to make this kind of hire. Then we can get somebody good.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:36 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
You’re in deep bro. Buckle up. This site will turn on you in a heartbeat. Good luck 
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:37 pm to abellsujr
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we may be the next USC.
USC’s problem is they’re a private school whose current president doesn’t care about sports.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:39 pm to abellsujr
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I just feel LSU has to be appealing for the recruiting benefits alone. Programs get sanctioned all the time. They still find good coaches. On the other hand, we may be the next USC. That’s scary to think about. They have sucked for some time.
We aren’t talking about just sanctions. This assumes a combo of Title IX punishment and sanctions. Think Baylor or Penn St. Recruiting won’t matter for at least a year in that situation.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:00 am to misey94
Ok ok when I said I dont care what happens as long as we win the natty I never expected this shite. The rats are getting off a sinking ship. Orgeron is the CEO. If your the CEO of a major company and these kind of abuse allegations come forward on your watch your going down. There is just zero tolerance in the corporate world for this. Gonna be hard for him to survive. The only question is does he go quietly or not. That will tell you how much he really knew. Either way its on his watch and he is done.
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