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re: For anyone still doubting tigerbaitlawyer...
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:20 am to tigerbaitlawyer
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:20 am to tigerbaitlawyer
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Will get worse before it gets better.
Wade? frick.
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Posted on 12/10/20 at 1:50 am to tigerbaitlawyer
TBL, I have to be careful how I phrase this so I can continue posting, but is there any effort within the administration to point out the undue burdens placed on the university by title IX?
I get Woodward wanting to “clean things up” but at the same time shouldn’t he want to draw the line somewhere when it comes to prog media digging up supposed wrongdoings under questionable at best regulations?
I get Woodward wanting to “clean things up” but at the same time shouldn’t he want to draw the line somewhere when it comes to prog media digging up supposed wrongdoings under questionable at best regulations?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:43 am to luismlg
quote:They would be Sloppy 2nd's and 3rd's.
Napier or Campbell? Lol
No more fricking around.
Meyer all the way.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 3:25 am to SlidellCajun
quote:All the Sunshine Pumping Cheerleading Mediocrity Loving Lunatics are
If O was here next year, I’d be shocked. It’ll all carry into court or some sort of settlement with O getting a decent amount of money and a gag order to just go away.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:20 am to BayouCatFan
“He made bad decisions”
Coach now finds himself between a rock and a hard on
Coach now finds himself between a rock and a hard on
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 8:22 am
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:27 am to misey94
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Would E be worse than Matt Luke? How about John L Smith? Remember that fricking lunatic? You just need a guy who will ride out the hard part and leave when you need him to. The odds of hitting on a hire like we’re talking about is remote.
If we have to do that we need to hire some really young guy who at least has an exciting offense
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:29 am to Cs
Why is this important? Does it help LSU?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 9:30 am to lsutigertalk
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Lack of institutional control is a possibility at this point.
Here's my thing... who are they punishing?
Cuz they aren't punishing Les/Alleva/FKing. Punishment for the optics is the dumbest thing.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:35 am to Cs
Brilliant. Now do they cover the 24?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:07 pm to Midtiger farm
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If we have to do that we need to hire some really young guy who at least has an exciting offense
Why? We will suck for a year or two years regardless if everything here goes as badly as it could. Hopefully it doesn’t, but assuming the worst, you don’t want someone who will have much of a salary or buyout in case they don’t work out. They most likely won’t.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:10 pm to misey94
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, you don’t want someone who will have much of a salary or buyout in case they don’t work out. They most likely won’t.
You can get a young up and coming OC for for around $3million or less and at least you have the chance that they become the next Lincoln Riley or you can hire someone like John L Smith for the same money and you know from the start it won't be good
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:16 pm to misey94
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Why? We will suck for a year or two years regardless if everything here goes as badly as it could. Hopefully it doesn’t, but assuming the worst, you don’t want someone who will have much of a salary or buyout in case they don’t work out. They most likely won’t.
LSU can't afford to fail at this hire. In the arms race of elite college football, if you tank in two consecutive recruiting classes or lack the funds to keep up in terms of facilities and accoutrements, you're done. This is a huge reason why LSU will part ways with O for a significantly reduced buyout if at all possible, leveraging the Title IX and NCAA issues.
Look at how badly this team is suffering due to the dreadful 2018 class. That is one class from a few years ago and its effects are now being felt. LSU needs a successful coach but also an elite recruiter to come in and make an immediate impact. Once you lose the talent advantage then you're an average team and everything becomes harder.
LSU football is on the precipice of disaster and this next hire will make or break it for the foreseeable future.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:18 pm to semjase
quote:Can no one really use this properly?
Mediocrity Loving
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:59 pm to Damone
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LSU needs a successful coach but also an elite recruiter to come in and make an immediate impact. Once you lose the talent advantage then you're an average team and everything becomes harder. LSU football is on the precipice of disaster and this next hire will make or break it for the foreseeable future.
Some of you guys are talking about pipe dreams. I’m being realistic. If we fire O and Title IX and the NCAA issues aren’t resolved, then no one who would be on a normal top 10 list is coming here. Period. There will be no option to bring in an elite recruiter. You are living it a fairy tale if you believe otherwise. Why would anyone established risk their career for a school that could be pounded with 2-4 year’s worth of punishments and penalties?
If Title IX and the NCAA both hammer us and O is fired, it will be even worse. Then you are talking about hiring guys well down the list who either aren’t that good or who are too young and aren’t really ready.
That’s why I suggested Ensminger as the worst case scenario option to help ride out the worst of it. I don’t think he would be a great head coach, but he has a connection to the school and would do the right things to help pick up the pieces. Then, unlike someone from the outside, he will step aside when you need him to and it won’t break the bank. THEN you go hire a good coach. Trust me, he is not who I would want, but who else has a connection to LSU and would take the job under such terrible circumstances? Maybe Frank Wilson, but he was mediocre at UTSA. E is more qualified than Corey Raymond. Is there anyone else?
If the end result of the Title IX investigation and the NCAA’s probe aren’t as bad as we fear but O still gets fired, then we can probably bring a good coach in here like you are talking about. I just have a bad feeling we aren’t getting off that easy.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 3:01 pm to misey94
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That’s why I suggested Ensminger as the worst case scenario option to help ride out the worst of it.
At that rate you hire another unproven coordinator and roll the dice. You know what you have in E and it's nothing to build your program around.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 3:09 pm to misey94
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then no one who would be on a normal top 10 list is coming here.
Kiffin was one of USC's top 5 choices when he went when they got hit with sanctions
Bill O'brian and Matt Rhule were on most top 10 list when they went to penn st and Baylor. Penn st was still on probation when they hired Franklin - he was on everyones top 10 list
Posted on 12/10/20 at 3:11 pm to misey94
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too young and aren’t really ready.
You don't know if they are ready or not
With E we all know its going to go bad
Posted on 12/10/20 at 3:15 pm to Damone
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At that rate you hire another unproven coordinator and roll the dice. You know what you have in E and it's nothing to build your program around.
Go find a coach who’s gotten a program through a major probation/scandal and come out the other side. It’s extremely rare. Most of those guys last 2-4 years if that and are gone. None of the recent ones stuck. They all left or were fired.
It won’t break my heart if LSU goes the younger coach route. But if they do, they need to pay them shite and have 0 buyout. Nothing. The school needs to be able to cut them and move on any time they need to, because there’s a 90% chance they will.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 4:19 pm to Midtiger farm
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Bill O'brian and Matt Rhule were on most top 10 list when they went to penn st and Baylor.
You are severely overrating Bill O’Bryan. And he didn’t last there.
The Ruhle hire looks great now, but he was just an up an coming coach as Temple when Baylor hired him. He sure as hell wasn’t a coach that a P5 program that just missed out on the playoffs 2 years before would have typically been looking at.
But the biggest key it that Ruhle wasn’t Baylor’s first hire. Jim Grobe was and they were lucky he was willing to step in and help them get through that terrible first season. Franklin was obviously a great choice, but was also hire 2 for PSU, 2 years after they got smacked. And it was pretty clear by then that the NCAA was going to reduce their sanctions and they eventually did.
You brought up Kiffin- he obviously had a strong connection to the USC program. That’s why he took the job. That’s part of what I was talking about. When you are in a bind, it helps to turn to someone who actually gives a shite about your program.
All I have been talking about is hiring someone for that first year or two if we really get hammered. If you think we are going to go out and get a great coach for the FIRST hire, history says you’re wrong. Even Kiffin got his arse left at the airport and fired at USC.
Out of the first hires on the back of a scandal, probation or both, Mike Shula probably worked out the best. He was very average, but at least had one really good season there in 2005.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 4:25 pm to misey94
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You are severely overrating Bill O’Bryan. And he didn’t last there.
Because he got a damn NFL job
You said top 10 list. I gurantee you he was on Penn St and others top 10 list. Rhule was on every top 10 list of G5 coaches good enough to move up to P5
You overreacting also of how bad we are going to get hammered - maybe a 1 year bowl ban and they extend the scholarship reductions a couple of years
Also Baylor's sanctions are just going to be announced in a couple of months - so it took the NCAA 5 years to sanction them and nobody know what they are going to be
You act like the NCAA will be handing down their decision in a few months
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