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re: For all you "he was open on 2nd & 2"
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:07 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:07 am to Rickdaddy4188
"Wasnt running all over them"? I think hill pretty much did do that, avg about 10 ypc. But where was he in the fourth quarter running. Oh thats right sitting on the bench eating his free chicken. Hard for players to execute when they arent even in the game.
This post was edited on 1/1/13 at 9:09 am
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Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:11 am to Rickdaddy4188
Even if they execute, it doesn't take away the risk of the play. The absolute worst possible scenario is not executing AND not letting the clock run when Clemson has 3 timeouts. If you don't get the 1st, you at least have to ensure the clock runs. Especially considering Clemson has the best kicker in the country.
Now, when you further consider that our QB had been bumbling and stumbling around all game and that our right tackle had been getting abused and that Mett looks like he is operating in a jar of molasses, there is no way you take the chance - even if you like the playcall.
You HAVE to take into consideration the ability of the players to execute the perfect playcall. Otherwise, stick with your bread and butter to get 2 yards in 2 plays with a defense that had been suspect against the run all night.
Now, when you further consider that our QB had been bumbling and stumbling around all game and that our right tackle had been getting abused and that Mett looks like he is operating in a jar of molasses, there is no way you take the chance - even if you like the playcall.
You HAVE to take into consideration the ability of the players to execute the perfect playcall. Otherwise, stick with your bread and butter to get 2 yards in 2 plays with a defense that had been suspect against the run all night.
This post was edited on 1/1/13 at 9:12 am
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:13 am to rantfan
I can't disagree with Scott Rabalais' take on the situation:
"Twice, Clemson stuffed LSU on short yardage with 10 men in the box. After the first pass to Boone, Miles and offensive coordinator Greg Studrawa didn’t think they could gain 2 yards rushing in two plays. It was like a bluff in poker won by a man holding a pair of 8s."
I remember thinking to myself, If this was Bama, they'd pick up 5, 7, 9 yards on a second-and-2 run up the middle—with 10 opponents in the box. Not us. I wouldn't have bet a plugged nickel we could pick up 2 yards on 2 rushes at that point in the game. Say what you want.
"Twice, Clemson stuffed LSU on short yardage with 10 men in the box. After the first pass to Boone, Miles and offensive coordinator Greg Studrawa didn’t think they could gain 2 yards rushing in two plays. It was like a bluff in poker won by a man holding a pair of 8s."
I remember thinking to myself, If this was Bama, they'd pick up 5, 7, 9 yards on a second-and-2 run up the middle—with 10 opponents in the box. Not us. I wouldn't have bet a plugged nickel we could pick up 2 yards on 2 rushes at that point in the game. Say what you want.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:13 am to Mohican
+1
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:16 am to stapuffmarshy
You are wrong. If we run the ball twice they use 2 timeouts or we make the first down and game over. Pathetic playcalling. There was 1:47 left on the clock. Stupidity
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:16 am to Brassmonkey
Go back to sleep.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:18 am to rantfan
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Really dude running plays take execution too. I mean you guys are making it hard not defend Les. Hes damned if they run it and damn if they pass it jeez it just takes execution of the plays.
NO NO NO.
You RUN the damn football in that situation.
At best, you close a team out. (as the Redskins did to the Cowboys on Sunday night)
At worst, you burn the clock or make them burn their timeouts.
How in the hell can we even be arguing this?
LSU / Les FRICK UP big time.
Even if Mett had not completely fricked the throw ... and even if it had worked, still would have been a stupid call.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:18 am to stapuffmarshy
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players have to execute. Period.
Exactly! I'm sorry I called you stapussy yesterday.
As I said earlier, my wife could have made that second down throw, and we've already seen above that Rickdaddy's six year old son could have, too.
It was not "all the way across the field" as someone stated above. They had Mett moving to the right; the receiver was in the right flat; it was about 12 to 15 yards total, which is about as short a throw as you can get; and the play resulted in no defenders near the receiver or in between the QB and the receiver. You can't get any easier than that.
But the real story is why was this game close? It was because LSU was uninspired and they were playing a fired up team. I've never seen a coach who avoided this kind of uninspired game better than Miles. He has his faults, but getting teams fired up generally isn't one of them. Last night was a clear exception to his otherwise excellent record.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:18 am to bayoujd
But by running the ball, even if you don't pick up the yards, either the clocks runs or Clem has to burn their timeouts.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:21 am to Papa Tigah
Hill ran to the wrong gap on two plays in the previous drive. His 10 yds/carry was inflated by two big runs but his poor executuion cost us first downs twice in the fourth qtr and led to 3 and outs. I'm not excusing the play calling all game, but the failure on this play was execution, not the call.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:22 am to Tigerwaffe
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I remember thinking to myself, If this was Bama, they'd pick up 5, 7, 9 yards on a second-and-2 run up the middle—with 10 opponents in the box. Not us. I wouldn't have bet a plugged nickel we could pick up 2 yards on 2 rushes at that point in the game. Say what you want.
This is close to my thought process too.
When we run the ball in short yardage situations it looks like we just bunch up and everyone tries to push straight ahead. The defense stacks the whole team between the tackles. What I don't see are some imaginative lineups creating some blocking angles. Clemson had an obvious run situation in the fourth quarter - they spread the line out and gained five yards against our vaunted defense.
You would need a bulldozer to push their eleven men straight ahead. Our backs can't even get between our own guards and tackles. They just all stack up about one yard behind the LOS.
But it is sure painful to watch. Seems like being in a wreck in slow motion - nothing you can do but hope to get lucky.
eta - we should still have run those last three plays - even if we lose a yard every play. Use the clock up - make them burn their TOs.
Passing was a stupid play call.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
This post was edited on 1/1/13 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:23 am to LSUnGA
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But by running the ball, even if you don't pick up the yards, either the clocks runs or Clem has to burn their timeouts.
Same thing holds true in the first quarter. Should you exclusively run the ball then too? No, because there is too much time left. There was an enormous amount of time left when LSU last had the ball. Clemson had plenty of timeouts. Getting first downs was the right strategy, not running clock. That's Jim Mora losing football! The coaches were outstanding at the end, but the players didn't execute.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:24 am to Tigerwaffe
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I wouldn't have bet a plugged nickel we could pick up 2 yards on 2 rushes at that point in the game. Say what you want.
And I wouldn't bet the same that we would actually execute a qb rollout to the right with Landry wide open, and I would've been right. The execution of the passing game looked absolutely horrid all night, and Mett looked like doesn't belong anywhere near a Division I football game. I'd rather take the chance with the option that forces Clemson to use timeouts and that we actually are relatively decent at. I actually wouldn't have had a wide receiver on the field.
We're both probably right, which says a lot about us. We're in a bad place offensively as a program right now. Real bad place.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:26 am to The Boat
quote:critiquing sure is easy after the fact. Also easy to say successful plays were good calls and unsuccessful plays were bad calls lol.
It was 2nd and 2 and Hill was averaging 10 yards a carry. 1st down was an outstanding call. 2nd and 3rd down were atrocious
I am 100% certain if Mett completes that pass, we are talking about how great that call was and how Clemson never saw it coming.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:28 am to stapuffmarshy
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say LSU runs twice and doesn't make it all we would see is threads of "should have thrown the ball"
And it would be from mostly the same people, that's the great part.
Imagine if we ran for no gain on 2nd and 3rd and 2. Miles would be getting destroyed for running when everyone knew he would run.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:30 am to ChineseBandit58
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When we run the ball in short yardage situations it looks like we just bunch up and everyone tries to push straight ahead. The defense stacks the whole team between the tackles. What I don't see are some imaginative lineups creating some blocking angles. Clemson had an obvious run situation in the fourth quarter - they spread the line out and gained five yards against our vaunted defense.
You would need a bulldozer to push their eleven men straight ahead. Our backs can't even get between our own guards and tackles. They just all stack up about one yard behind the LOS.
I couldn't have put this into words any better. This is EXACTLY what I see time after time after time, year after year after year in these situations—with results as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:31 am to shel311
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I am 100% certain if Mett completes that pass, we are talking about how great that call was and how Clemson never saw it coming.
Nope. We would be saying how risky that play was considering Clemson has all their timeouts and thank God we executed because we hadn't all night in the passing game. With 3 timeouts, Boyd on fire, the best FG kicker in the country and our defense on the field for 100 plays you're basically saying we win or lose on that play. The definition of high risk/high reward.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:32 am to navy
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At best, you close a team out. (as the Redskins did to the Cowboys on Sunday night) At worst, you burn the clock or make them burn their timeouts. How in the hell can we even be arguing this?
What were your thoughts on the 3 runs against Bama?
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:32 am to shel311
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I am 100% certain if Mett completes that pass, we are talking about how great that call was and how Clemson never saw it coming.
Doubtful.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 9:46 am to The Boat
quote:You mustn't read this board much to see how LSU fans are.
Doubtful
Anything that works is a great call. Anything that does not work is a terrible call. Been that way for years.
Everyone is saying today that you run run run so they use their timeouts. Everyone was saying the exact opposite against Bama.
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