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re: Exclusive 1 on 1 interview with Jarret Lee's father on local BR CBS affiliate

Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:19 pm to
Posted by los angeles tiger
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:19 pm to
money, you still don't know and I've watched Lee and last year I said he was a better quarterback than Jefferson and that Miles was shafting him.

Jefferson was a catastrophe in the game and maybe had Lee been put in he would have changed the complexion of the team (as I saw happen when Rohan went in to replace Josh Booty). Lee was also much more composed in than Jefferson and the offense responded better with him in during the season than they did with Jefferson.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:26 pm to
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money, you still don't know


I'm pretty sure.

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Jefferson was a catastrophe in the game


Yep

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and maybe had Lee been put in he would have changed the complexion of the team


Nope.

This LSU offense was dead the minute we couldn't run the ball. You saw it against Alabama the first game (with both QBs) and again against Georgia in the first half and finally in the championship game.

You are looking for a reason for the loss rather than accepting the very obvious fact that Alabama took away our #1 strength and forced us to try and beat them with our weakness.

Barring a miracle, Jarrett Lee would have struggled mightily against Alabama in that game because Alabama was stuffing the run AND getting very consistent pressure with we did pass.

I don't disagree that at some point, Miles should have gone to Lee. But, honestly, you'd have to ignore what you've seen out of Lee for his entire career to think that he would have succeeded in that game.

You just don't want to accept it.

This post was edited on 2/22/12 at 9:27 pm
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:35 pm to
You're right, might as well not even make an attempt.
Roll over and quit like a dead fricking dog, that's the spirit!



Nah, I don't think I'll ever accept it.
Total embarrassment.
This post was edited on 2/22/12 at 9:37 pm
Posted by los angeles tiger
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:40 pm to
money, you don't know. I sense I'm older than you and have followed football all of my life. The running game sucked because of the play calling that Miles did not change. Jefferson was horrific in the passing game and committed so many mistakes that cost us the game. Lee has composure that may have changed the attitude of the team. Jefferson, regardless of what people have said on here, is not the leader that Lee is. We may have moved the ball more and actually scored in the second quarter had Miles made the change that was needed by then. Emotions play heavily into big games and Miles once agains showed some great coaching ineptness that he seems to pull out of his arse. Miles sometimes is like the parent that tries to help their problem child by giving them more while expecting the good child to understand. It is bad parenting and it is bad coaching.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:45 pm to
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had Lee been put in he would have changed the complexion of the team


Pun intended???
Posted by tiger81
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:54 pm to
Sorry folks, but Money is right on the "money". I would have loved to see Lee get a chance... I seriously doubt it would've mattered. When Bama made us one dimensional on offense,we were done. I don't think Bert Jones could've saved us that night. We got beat every way you can be beaten.. Miles brought the same gameplan from Tuscaloosa to New Orleans,but Bama was better that night.
Posted by los angeles tiger
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:59 pm to
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Pun intended???






Well, I was in the mood to puntificate.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59339 posts
Posted on 2/22/12 at 10:03 pm to
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money, you don't know. I sense I'm older than you and have followed football all of my life


LOL. I'm 38. I'm old enough.

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The running game sucked because of the play calling that Miles did not change


No. It sucked because we couldn't get a push on their DL. Their size kicked our arse, and they scouted and shut down our speed plays.

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Lee has composure


Holy shite. Lee has shown zero composure in the pocket in the 4 years he has been here.

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Jefferson, regardless of what people have said on here, is not the leader that Lee is. We may have moved the ball more and actually scored in the second quarter had Miles made the change that was needed by then. Emotions play heavily into big games and Miles once agains showed some great coaching ineptness that he seems to pull out of his arse. Miles sometimes is like the parent that tries to help their problem child by giving them more while expecting the good child to understand. It is bad parenting and it is bad coaching


Jefferson was bad.

The rest of your explanation and reasoning is laughably over-simplistic and ignorant.
Posted by Lago Tiger
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 10:34 pm to
Money , Why not put JL in for a series if nothing else to try change things up . Hell they only ran what seemed like the same 3 plays and punt over and over . Again , its not that we lost its how lost .
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59339 posts
Posted on 2/22/12 at 10:39 pm to
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Money , Why not put JL in for a series if nothing else to try change things up.


I said above that at some point, if I were Miles, I would have gone to Lee. But, there was a very, very small chance it would have helped.

That was EXACTLY the kind of game that the coaches didn't want Lee to play in.

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Again , its not that we lost its how lost .



We were beaten handily.

LSU ran a very run heavy offense and Alabama completely shut it down. Add to that, we weren't able to protect the passer when we did throw the ball.

So, we were left with no running game, and no pass protection and the ball either in Jefferson's hands (who was not going to be able to hang in the pocket and find the open WR) or Lee's hands (who was not going to be able to hang in the pocket and would instead let it fly into coverage).

There weren't very man good options.
Posted by Lago Tiger
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 10:47 pm to
I hear what you are saying , but I just don't think Bama was that good and we were that bad . To be completely shut out like that , with the weapons we had on offense . I guess I'll just never understand .
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 10:53 pm to
So has this aired yet? Was it nothing worth a 6 page thread as expected?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59339 posts
Posted on 2/22/12 at 10:56 pm to
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I hear what you are saying , but I just don't think Bama was that good and we were that bad . To be completely shut out like that , with the weapons we had on offense . I guess I'll just never understand .



You just don't want to accept the obvious reality.

We won 13 straight games, all by double digits (except the first Bama game) because of the way we ran the ball. Alabama didn't just slow down our running game, they absolutely shut it down.

When you are a run heavy team, and everything you do in the passing game is predicated on running the ball, and you can't run it, then you are dead. We were dead. We were at the point where our only chance was that our QB would make a play...and we didn't have one that could.
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:00 pm to
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So has this aired yet?


Tomorrow night. 8:00 I think
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
5300 posts
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:13 pm to
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can't run it, then you are dead


Maybe completing a few passes would have opened up the running game.
We will never know and that's why people are still pissed. I am glad I didn't spend over $1000 to attend that horrible game like so many did. I agree that it was a slim chance that JL could have come in and saved the game. But at some point in the 3rd when the same crap over and over and over again wasn't working and we couldnt even get past the 50 yd line you have to take that slim chance.
Miles has built his rep on taking chances and the ultra conservative catastrophe we saw was just painful to watch. After suffering through all the horrible offensive performances we saw in 2010 and then finally seeing something consistent for 8 games with JL I think almost anyone would have given the kid a chance. Hell, even Lee thought he was going in the game. Everyone did. Except Miles
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
19034 posts
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:30 pm to
1) I wondered if JL never spoke critically of they way he was benched because he was a coaches son, i.e., out of respect for his dad.

2) The issues from '11 are bigger than 'why didn't Les insert JL' vs Bama. First, it made good football sense to use JJ once he was back on the team. This gave our O some addt'l capabilities. It made no sense to completely shelve the O we had run for the first 8 weeks. Second, from post-game player interviews, the game plan that was practiced included a heavy dose of 4-5 wide sets (this was good strategy vs Bama) but Les elected to never use this (with JJ or JL) even though every thing else we tried was stopped cold.
Posted by Blades
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Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:32 pm to
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Tomorrow night at 10pm

fixed
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
5300 posts
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:36 pm to
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It made no sense to completely shelve the O we had run for the first 8 weeks


I couldn't agree more. We beat some pretty good teams with that offense.

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from post-game player interviews, the game plan that was practiced included a heavy dose of 4-5 wide sets (this was good strategy vs Bama) but Les elected to never use this (with JJ or JL


I thought the post game comment from the players and Shep tweeting about leaving showed that the team wanted an explanation too
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
19034 posts
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:41 pm to
I was referring to the interviews with DeAngelo Peterson (I think from the Sr. Bowl) and JJ (from the Atlanta area radio station). JJ even mentioned we planned to attack Bama like Utah had done. IMO, this was splendid football strategy.

Why we didn't try it is beyond me. I'm not a Les hater in the least, but he basically stood in the batter's box, watched three straight strikes go by, and never even got the bat off his shoulders.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79054 posts
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:43 pm to
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erson was a catastrophe in the game and maybe had Lee been put in he would have changed the complexion of the team (as I saw happen when Rohan went in to replace Josh Booty). Lee was also much more composed in than Jefferson and the offense responded better with him in during the season than they did with Jefferson.


You mean like how JJ changed the complexity of the first game? Seriously yall need to move on from this. The coach did what he thought was rt and failed. The best coach in the NFL has failed multiple times now, and he has a HOF qb.
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