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re: Don't tell me that the BCS makes the regular season more exciting
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:40 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:40 am to Topwater Trout
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I want a system that guarantess every team get a shot at the title.
Then why all the hand wringing if TCU or BSU goes?
Are they not every team?
See, I want a system that does its best to put the two best teams in an arena to play for it. I dont want the two best teams to play a hellacious 12 or 13 game season, and get past it, for a panel to decide that a lesser team gets in playoff in the "everyone gets a shot" plan.
So you would accept a fluke upset as your national champion?
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Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:42 am to Topwater Trout
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Then why doesn't the NCAA acknowledge a National Champion in Div. 1 CFB?
Because not all NCAA schools are in the BCS?
Seems like a pretty simple concept.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:43 am to Topwater Trout
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So why did Oklahoma and Nebraska get to play in the BCSCG w/o winning their conference? They don't get eliminated from contention but LSU does? Please explain how that is right?
Do you suggest Kansas State was better then Oklahoma that year?
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:44 am to Topwater Trout
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So why did Oklahoma and Nebraska get to play in the BCSCG w/o winning their conference? They don't get eliminated from contention but LSU does? Please explain how that is right?
It's not right, and I never said it was. There's that whole logic thing again. BTW, it won't happen again.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:45 am to tigerfoot
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Then why all the hand wringing if TCU or BSU goes?
Current format of only 2 teams getting an opportunity I don't think TCU/Boise deserve a shot when you look at strength of schedules. They deserve a chance to win it in a playoff format.
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See, I want a system that does its best to put the two best teams in an arena to play for it. I dont want the two best teams to play a hellacious 12 or 13 game season, and get past it, for a panel to decide that a lesser team gets in playoff in the "everyone gets a shot" plan.
Not good enough for the best sport in the country.
quote:
So you would accept a fluke upset as your national champion?
Yes
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:45 am to AlxTgr
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It's not right, and I never said it was. There's that whole logic thing again. BTW, it won't happen again.
It could happen this year with LSU.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:46 am to Camp Randall
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If teams like Boise and TCU keep threatening the NC game we will see a playoff sooner rather then later.
Isnt it ironic, that the same ones that want to reward winning and moving on, also do not accept that TCU and Boise as legitimate contenders.
Hell, Boise beat Ok, just like in a playoff situation and folks say "it is just one game"
Boise wins a playoff and people will want a best 2 of 3.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:48 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Every team has a shot.
Current format of only 2 teams getting an opportunity I don't think TCU/Boise deserve a shot when you look at strength of schedules.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:48 am to Topwater Trout
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Current format of only 2 teams getting an opportunity I don't think TCU/Boise deserve a shot when you look at strength of schedules. They deserve a chance to win it in a playoff format.
So you will accept a win in December, but not September for Boise. In a plus one or similar scenario, they could play VT.
At least you admit it will diminish the September matchups.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:58 am to tigerfoot
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So you will accept a win in December, but not September for Boise
Boise is a very good team but I do not believe they have run the gauntlet as other teams have in the top 10. They beat Va. Tech in first game of the year who lost to an FCS school the next week at home. Va. Tech was leading Boise late if I recall correctly. All I can do is format my stance about Boise on my opinion.....sure they beat Ok and Bama lost to Utah one year etc. but they do not have to play schedules like we do in the sec.....i want them to play teams like Fla, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Tenn in consecutive weeks to see how they fare playing teams like we have to.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:00 am to SaltyTiger53
FWIW, I actually like the current playoff system in college football. I would be ok with expanding it from a 2-team playoff to a 4-team playoff (aka Plus-One), but nothing more. And I'm very happy that, barring conference realignment, it is very unlikely it will be expanded beyond 4 teams anytime in the next 10-20 years.
I like college football having a unique and different system. I like that Michigan-Appy State and Alabama-LA Monroe is just as important to the national title picture as Michigan-Ohio State and Alabama-Florida. I like the bowls, where more than one team ends the season on a win. I like that people care about the regular season and there is actually more regular season coverage than postseason coverage. I like that Week2 is just as important as Week 14.
And FWIW, to your point, the discussion is never going to change. Whether it is a 2-team, 4-team, or 8-team playoff, there will always be people clammoring to let the little guy "underdog" in ... it's human nature to an extent.
I've never understood why some college football fans can't embrace the system and feel the need to "follow the pack" with the rest of the sporting world in terms of an expanded playoff system.
I like college football having a unique and different system. I like that Michigan-Appy State and Alabama-LA Monroe is just as important to the national title picture as Michigan-Ohio State and Alabama-Florida. I like the bowls, where more than one team ends the season on a win. I like that people care about the regular season and there is actually more regular season coverage than postseason coverage. I like that Week2 is just as important as Week 14.
And FWIW, to your point, the discussion is never going to change. Whether it is a 2-team, 4-team, or 8-team playoff, there will always be people clammoring to let the little guy "underdog" in ... it's human nature to an extent.
I've never understood why some college football fans can't embrace the system and feel the need to "follow the pack" with the rest of the sporting world in terms of an expanded playoff system.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 10:03 am
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:00 am to tigerfoot
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At least you admit it will diminish the September matchups.
I have nothing to base this on.....I only know the current system. I am of the opinion that a non conf game in September against a top 25 team will go along way for playoff seedings. Just like how RPI is used in CBB the same would apply in a playoff format. Seedings and bubble teams would be determined by who they beat so I think september games would still be important.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:02 am to theunknownknight
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the BCS makes the regular season more exciting
At least until your team loses.
I've said before, the BCS is not horrible and it isnt great. Kind of like the playoffs. Some years the BCS is fun and gets it right. Some years, a playoff would be better.
But in any case, its hard to even debate it since there are a million proposed playoff formats, some better than others but none of which are perfect.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:09 am to Topwater Trout
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.....i want them to play teams like Fla, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Tenn in consecutive weeks to see how they fare playing teams like we have to.
So how many teams are in your playoff, 128?
Now you are just giving support to the BCS, and Boise should HAVE to be in a BCS conference. That is the only real problem.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:09 am to tigerfoot
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So you would accept a fluke upset as your national champion?
Beating three nationally ranked teams in consecutive weeks would be no fluke. If Boise or TCU could do that in a playoff then they would very well deserve the title.
I think it looks more like a fluke upset in the current system. TCU and Boise run through their normal weak schedules, while teams like LSU, Bama, and the like play numerous ranked opponents weekly and stumble once. The teams with the weaker schedules are then rewarded for being undefeated, and pretty much just need one final upset to win the NC.
Which sounds more like a fluke upset?
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:15 am to rintintin
And on top of that the teams that play in title game havent played in 5 or 6 weeks so it is a crapshoot of how each team performs. Some will execute better than others while some will not.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:17 am to rintintin
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TCU and Boise run through their normal weak schedules, while teams like LSU, Bama, and the like play numerous ranked opponents weekly and stumble once. The teams with the weaker schedules are then rewarded for being undefeated, and pretty much just need one final upset to win the NC.
Which sounds more like a fluke upset?
I dont want non BCS conference schools in the conversation at all, I dont mind telling them no thank you.
Why even give them a shot at it. Play a real schedule, in a real conference with a conference championship. That is what the BCS needs to work on, not a playoff.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:24 am to tigerfoot
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So how many teams are in your playoff, 128?
16 just like FCS has.
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Now you are just giving support to the BCS, and Boise should HAVE to be in a BCS conference. That is the only real problem.
So you're supporting a system you claim is flawed? I have never said Boise shouldn't get a shot to make a playoff but they shouldn't get a shot in the current format. How can you compare a one loss BCS team to an undefeated Boise team?
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:32 am to Topwater Trout
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16 just like FCS has.
Ha. Never work. Good luck.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:35 am to AlxTgr
It's pointless to even discuss anything more than an 8-team college football playoff, because anything more than that simply is not happening anytime soon.
In 2013, the BCS will likely move from a 2-team playoff to a 4-team playoff. Everyone will have to be content with that for now.
In 2013, the BCS will likely move from a 2-team playoff to a 4-team playoff. Everyone will have to be content with that for now.
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