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re: Don't tell me that the BCS makes the regular season more exciting
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:37 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:37 am to Topwater Trout
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So you're supporting a system you claim is flawed? I have never said Boise shouldn't get a shot to make a playoff but they shouldn't get a shot in the current format. How can you compare a one loss BCS team to an undefeated Boise team?
Now you only support perfection?
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How can you compare a one loss BCS team to an undefeated Boise team?
you can not, and that is why they should be ignored, a playoff does not ignore them.
IF the BCS is corrected to 12 team conferences with a championship game, it fixes the only issue it has, and that is the inability to hurt some folks feelings.
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Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:38 am to tigerfoot
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I dont want non BCS conference schools in the conversation at all, I dont mind telling them no thank you.
Why even give them a shot at it. Play a real schedule, in a real conference with a conference championship. That is what the BCS needs to work on, not a playoff.
IMO that is not fair. You have to give them a shot somehow. The problem with all college sports is they have so many teams that it is hard to determine who is better simply by looking at their win/loss record. A playoff is really the only fair solution IMO.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:40 am to JPLSU1981
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In 2013, the BCS will likely move from a 2-team playoff to a 4-team playoff. Everyone will have to be content with that for now.
But wouldn't the BCS supporters say that this would diminish the regular season????
I think it would be an improvement but a stall tactic to what should be done.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 10:53 am to tigerfoot
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Now you only support perfection?
You misunderstood my point.....the sec and other bcs conferences schedules are brutal compared to non AQ conferences. I believe a one loss BCS team should get a shot over an undefeated non aq team. For ex I believe LSU, Wisconsin, Stanford, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Ohio St. would be undefeated with Boise or TCU's schedule. So I don't support the non aq's getting their shot in a BCSCG format however I do believe they should get in a playoff of 16 teams.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 11:02 am to Topwater Trout
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For ex I believe LSU, Wisconsin, Stanford, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Ohio St. would be undefeated with Boise or TCU's schedule. So I don't support the non aq's getting their shot in a BCSCG format however I do believe they should get in a playoff of 16 teams.
So when USCe loses to AU, you would support them as one of your 16 playoff teams...with 4 loses?
IF you believe they are better or as good as Boise, then how could you leave them out?
Posted on 11/22/10 at 11:06 am to tigerfoot
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So when USCe loses to AU, you would support them as one of your 16 playoff teams...with 4 loses?
IF you believe they are better or as good as Boise, then how could you leave them out?
If they are in the top 16 of the BCS rankings(how i would seed the top 16 teams) then yes.....but I highly doubt they would be in the top 16.
Are you arguing that there aren't about 10 teams or more that would go undefeated playing Boise's schedule?
Posted on 11/22/10 at 11:16 am to Topwater Trout
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Are you arguing that there aren't about 10 teams or more that would go undefeated playing Boise's schedule?
of course not, just so you understand, I will say it again.
I do not want Boise in the conversation, they are not in a BCS conference. I do not want Notre Dame in it, they can make their own schedule, I do not want TCU in it.........
I do not want a playoff, we already know who the best are......winning games in tough conferences sorts is out. If all it was was winning (like a weak side of a bracket) then Boise would be in the conversation.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 11:20 am to tigerfoot
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of course not, just so you understand, I will say it again.
I do not want Boise in the conversation, they are not in a BCS conference. I do not want Notre Dame in it, they can make their own schedule, I do not want TCU in it.........
I do not want a playoff, we already know who the best are......winning games in tough conferences sorts is out. If all it was was winning (like a weak side of a bracket) then Boise would be in the conversation.
The BCS does not say no to non AQ schools but you support it right?
Posted on 11/22/10 at 11:21 am to Topwater Trout
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If they are in the top 16 of the BCS rankings(how i would seed the top 16 teams) then yes.....but I highly doubt they would be in the top 16.
Are you arguing that there aren't about 10 teams or more that would go undefeated playing Boise's schedule?
If USCe is everybit as good, or would be undefeated with Boises schedule (your assessment) how do you say Boise is in and USCe is out....doesnt seem fair to me. No way should USCe be help accountable for four losses.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 11:24 am to tigerfoot
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I do not want a playoff, we already know who the best are......winning games in tough conferences sorts is out. If all it was was winning (like a weak side of a bracket) then Boise would be in the conversation.
Really?
So how did Boise beat OU? How did Utah beat Bama?
You can call them fluke wins, but they won regardless, and Utah demolished Bama.
You need to give them a shot somehow. It's impossible to discern who the best teams are simply by looking at schedules. I agree with you that I don't think they deserve to be in the NC this year simply b/c they are undefeated, but to deny them a chance is absurd. Let them run the table against 3 or 4 of the best teams in the country in a playoff, and it would be hard to argue that they didn't deserve it.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 11:26 am to tigerfoot
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If USCe is everybit as good, or would be undefeated with Boises schedule (your assessment)
Do you not agree with this? Miss st. has 4 losses to teams with a combined record of 39-5 but if they don't make the top 16 (which would be a playoff requirement) they don't make playoffs.
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No way should USCe be help accountable for four losses.
now you are just being a jackass. And you still haven't answered why you support a system you clearily say is flawed.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 11:28 am
Posted on 11/22/10 at 11:29 am to SaltyTiger53
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I tried to give away 3 tickets to the game yesterday outside the stadium and no one would take them.
College football is the most exciting sport ever and it is not even close.
It's better than the NFL and way better than the college basketball.
The college regular season is FAR BETTER than either of those.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 11:59 am to Topwater Trout
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And you still haven't answered why you support a system you clearily say is flawed.
I have answered it a bunch.
It has some flaws, the same as any system that will deal with a sports, shite happens.
But we KNOW the best teams each year, and we for the most part have them play a game to decide the champion, on the field, against each other.
A playoff only muddies the water, and allows a HOT team to win, thereby discounting the body of work and rewarding a team disproportionately for a few victories.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:05 pm to rintintin
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Really?
So how did Boise beat OU? How did Utah beat Bama?
the same way they could beat them in a playoff, a fluke. A fluke brought on by a schedule that does not expose them to injury (they can sit players if need be), that does not force them to utilize full playbooks, a season that for the most part does not test them.
IF a playoff is implemented, the OOC games that make CFB so fun will soon disappear (why risk a loss), the loss early on will not matter to fans OR coaches, all that will matter is a HUGE reliance on polls to make a playoff, a playoff that will include teams that either have losses already in the season to other teams in the playoff, or teams that have not been tested.
Forcing the winning teams from tough conferences to continue to test fate to win, where they have already proved themselves throughout the year.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:33 pm to tigerfoot
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But we KNOW the best teams each year, and we for the most part have them play a game to decide the champion, on the field, against each other.
How many times in its existence has there not been a team left out that had as much right to play than the other 2?
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A playoff only muddies the water, and allows a HOT team to win, thereby discounting the body of work and rewarding a team disproportionately for a few victories.
It's amazing that the playoff sports never complain when a team gets "hot" and wins yet every year cfb fans wonder if they got it right. If it was such a great system how come it is debated year in year out and we never are debating that the NFL or NBA playoffs got it wrong?
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:50 pm to Topwater Trout
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It's amazing that the playoff sports never complain when a team gets "hot" and wins yet every year cfb fans wonder if they got it right. If it was such a great system how come it is debated year in year out and we never are debating that the NFL or NBA playoffs got it wrong?
First off the NFL and NBA have 30 teams, that play a ton of common opponents, so any argument referencing them is kind of off base.
Secondly, look at the magic when LSU played TX in baseball two years ago, versus Fresno and Miami.
LSU and TX were clear as day head and shoulders above eveyone. Fresno was a fluke. Possibly one of the weakest champions ever.....Georgia and Miami were much superior teams. Folks just accept flukes for their champions, because they won it on the field in a playoff.. However, when their team loses they want a playoff second chance. A playoff is the ultimate second chance.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:08 pm to Topwater Trout
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It's amazing that the playoff sports never complain when a team gets "hot" and wins yet every year cfb fans wonder if they got it right. If it was such a great system how come it is debated year in year out and we never are debating that the NFL or NBA playoffs got it wrong?
FWIW, I Think it's absolutely ludicrous that the Giants won the Super Bowl a couple years ago. #1 they didn't even win their own division and #2 the Patriots had ALREADY beaten the Giants.
So I think while your point has some substance, it certainly rests in the eye of the beholder. The Giants WERE NOT the best team in football IMO. Did they win the Super Bowl, that one game on that one day? Yes. Were they the best team in the NFL that year? Hell no, not even close IMO.
It's pretty simple ... playoff proponents like ONE HUGE GAME, or more precisely 5-10 HUGE GAMES ... playoff critics like myself prefer 100 SEMI-HUGE GAMES. Again, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 7:59 pm to JPLSU1981
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I like that Week2 is just as important as Week 14.
This isn't true, though. If you lose in week 2, weeks 3-12 are often worthless (in the national title picture). With a playoff system, all of the sudden, the remaining 10 games become valuable again. I don't understand why people can't see this.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 8:45 pm to MI LSU
Oh I totally see it. You've got two things, we'll call them A and B. Both A & B, while achieving the same result in the end (one champion), A & B are very different in the process in which they do so.
Some people like A. Some people like B. Some people like parts of both A & B.
My assertion is that while I like both, I see no reason to change the unique system that college football has. It has its flaws, as does a standard playoff, but one can certainly not argue the point that college football's system is unique, and I personally like that uniqueness. And, good for me, enough powers that be agree with me to keep it just the way it is.
Some people like A. Some people like B. Some people like parts of both A & B.
My assertion is that while I like both, I see no reason to change the unique system that college football has. It has its flaws, as does a standard playoff, but one can certainly not argue the point that college football's system is unique, and I personally like that uniqueness. And, good for me, enough powers that be agree with me to keep it just the way it is.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 9:01 pm to JPLSU1981
Crappy Regular Season = no playoff spot
Just like BB. Why is that so hard to understand???
CFB playoffs
Just like BB. Why is that so hard to understand???
CFB playoffs
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