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re: Don't hate on Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:11 am to BobBoucher
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:11 am to BobBoucher
He is inconsistent which I think is a direct reflection of work ethic. I do not think he held himself to the standard neccessary to be good or possibly great last season. Maybe because he did not know what it took, possibly because Crowton didn't know how to teach or develop a player. I think JJ this offseason based on what we have heard will be a lot more consistent.
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:24 am to King Joey
quote:
Look I like jj and really hope he learns to read a defense at some point, or how to look off a db but to this point he is a complete bust. I don't blame jj I blame the Louisiana education system. The reason Lsu historically has poor qb play is the kids just aren't very smart. You can het away with it at other positions but if you make poor decisions at qb you make huge mistakes. Now when these gius play well they get lavished with praise and cash so when they play poorly they deserve to hear about it as well. Give me a less athletic, SMART qb rather than a 6 6 strong armed poor decision maker. To quote the great Dave chapellle, it's hard being black and gifted.
Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Terry Bradshaw, Doug Williams, Jake Delhomme, Stan Humphries, David Woodley all started QB in Super Bowls.
Kordell Stewart, Bobby Hebert played in the NFL for years.
Couple All-Americans also, Brock Berlin, Ryan Perriloux(can't deny his talent).
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:55 am to LuzianaFootball
I can and will hate on Jordan Jefferson as much as i like. He's not good.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 10:00 am to bigcobra
Compared to Jarrett Lee, Andrew Hatch, and any of the other Walk-ons I think he is fantastic.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 11:24 am to nldugas
Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Terry Bradshaw, Doug Williams, Jake Delhomme, Stan Humphries, David Woodley all started QB in Super Bowls.
Kordell Stewart, Bobby Hebert played in the NFL for years.
Couple All-Americans also, Brock Berlin, Ryan Perriloux(can't deny his talent).
Good point. None of those guys played for Lsu, except perrilloux, any idea why?
Kordell Stewart, Bobby Hebert played in the NFL for years.
Couple All-Americans also, Brock Berlin, Ryan Perriloux(can't deny his talent).
Good point. None of those guys played for Lsu, except perrilloux, any idea why?
Posted on 3/23/11 at 11:28 am to LuzianaFootball
quote:Just wanted to point out that though your post was addressed in response to mine, the quote you included was not from me.
LuzianaFootball
Posted on 3/23/11 at 11:39 am to TigerDat
quote:
If it works then do it
It's not hard to stop the roll out.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 11:49 am to Thundercles
Preach it! And it helps to know that if thnigs go sour, we have a decent back up (possible starter) in ZM. But i'm pro JJ
Posted on 3/23/11 at 11:51 am to Thundercles
frick jefferson
Posted on 3/23/11 at 11:55 am to lroach2
quote:
frick jefferson
Feel better now? Anyways, we're pre-season top 3 and some people (cbssports.com) have us at 1. Everyone else seems to have a little faith, you should try it on...see how it fits..frickin debbie downer
Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:33 pm to nldugas
quote:
He is inconsistent which I think is a direct reflection of work ethic. I do not think he held himself to the standard neccessary to be good or possibly great last season. Maybe because he did not know what it took, possibly because Crowton didn't know how to teach or develop a player.
^ This
His "huge" games always come off a bye week or in a bowl game after weeks to prepare.
He is inconsistent, which directly reflects two things
1) His work ethic probably isn't remotely close to what it should be
2) The coaching staff obviously doesn't watch game tape or they'd clearly see the ridiculously sloppy/faulty mechanics of their QB's.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:50 pm to Thundercles
quote:
People seem to expect the absolute worst from this guy.
3 good games in 3 years. You ever wonder why? Shut up!
Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:53 pm to dcrews
Glad to see some positive people on here. I can certainly understand why there would be some skepticism about him, but there's no denying that SOMEWHERE in him is the ability to be a good QB.
I think everyone on this board agrees that Crowton was shite at developing QBs and his plays and game plans did not jive with our players. I have high hopes for what Kragthorpe can do. I can only base my thoughts off his words, but to me has said everything I had hoped to hear.
It seems very unfair to question JJ's work ethic. No one on this board has any idea what he does in practice or at home, but he has certainly NEVER quit on the team. I think he could stand to be a stronger leader and better communicator with his teammates, but lazy is not something I'd call him.
I think everyone on this board agrees that Crowton was shite at developing QBs and his plays and game plans did not jive with our players. I have high hopes for what Kragthorpe can do. I can only base my thoughts off his words, but to me has said everything I had hoped to hear.
It seems very unfair to question JJ's work ethic. No one on this board has any idea what he does in practice or at home, but he has certainly NEVER quit on the team. I think he could stand to be a stronger leader and better communicator with his teammates, but lazy is not something I'd call him.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:08 pm to Thundercles
I never once mentioned lazy. I do not think that at all. I was not trying to put him on a jarmarcus russell with the raiders or anything. All I was implying is that his effort to this team is not on par with the truely great or even really good qb's and I think that is evident by his play. Maybe he was being coached really bad and putting too much effort into things that wouldnt benefit him as much as other things sorta like the saying work smarter and not harder. maybe he was putting too much time into the frivolous and unneccessary. There is a difference between working hard and being driven...Drew Brees is evidence of this. Vick now compared to Vick when he originally entered the league is evidence of this.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:32 pm to nldugas
My favorite poem starts like this:
Accept your humanity
With all its profanity
Although it's a calamity
Embrace it with amity.
Simply put, know who and what you are ...then deal with it. Know thself...sounds easy, right...the problem with so many athletes can't see themselves honestly and won't/can't listen to those that see their abilities clearly. JJ would have made a great TE or a great SS...but his vision is not broad enough to see the whole field and multiple recievers quicklt enough...JMHO
Accept your humanity
With all its profanity
Although it's a calamity
Embrace it with amity.
Simply put, know who and what you are ...then deal with it. Know thself...sounds easy, right...the problem with so many athletes can't see themselves honestly and won't/can't listen to those that see their abilities clearly. JJ would have made a great TE or a great SS...but his vision is not broad enough to see the whole field and multiple recievers quicklt enough...JMHO
Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:51 pm to golf teaching pro
quote:
Good point. None of those guys played for Lsu, except perrilloux, any idea why?
Yea no shite.
It was in response to Louisiana's education system being the blame lack of smart quarterbacks and that being the reason LSU has had bad QB play.
Too bad we let them get away.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:54 pm to Phil2012
A Heisman winners stats from his Fresh, Soph & Jr seasons:
Fr:39/53 (73.6%) for 490 yards, 3 Passing TDs and 1 Rushing TD; with 3 Interceptions
So:228/415 (54.9%) for 2914 yards, 16 Passing TDs and 2 Rushing TDs; with 18 Interceptions
Jr:221/377 (58.6%) for 2717 yards, 13 Passing TDs and 1 Rushing TD; with 12 Interceptions
Senior Heisman Winning #: 309/489 (63.2%) for 3942 yards, 33 Passing TDs and 4 Rushing TDs; with 10 Interceptions
I don't see why JJ cannot have a improvement similar to the one above. The kid was born in Aug of 1990, will turn 21 in August. I'm for him if he wins the job
Fr:39/53 (73.6%) for 490 yards, 3 Passing TDs and 1 Rushing TD; with 3 Interceptions
So:228/415 (54.9%) for 2914 yards, 16 Passing TDs and 2 Rushing TDs; with 18 Interceptions
Jr:221/377 (58.6%) for 2717 yards, 13 Passing TDs and 1 Rushing TD; with 12 Interceptions
Senior Heisman Winning #: 309/489 (63.2%) for 3942 yards, 33 Passing TDs and 4 Rushing TDs; with 10 Interceptions
I don't see why JJ cannot have a improvement similar to the one above. The kid was born in Aug of 1990, will turn 21 in August. I'm for him if he wins the job
Posted on 3/23/11 at 2:01 pm to Thundercles
quote:
Glad to see some positive people on here. I can certainly understand why there would be some skepticism about him, but there's no denying that SOMEWHERE in him is the ability to be a good QB.
I think everyone on this board agrees that Crowton was shite at developing QBs and his plays and game plans did not jive with our players. I have high hopes for what Kragthorpe can do. I can only base my thoughts off his words, but to me has said everything I had hoped to hear.
It seems very unfair to question JJ's work ethic. No one on this board has any idea what he does in practice or at home, but he has certainly NEVER quit on the team. I think he could stand to be a stronger leader and better communicator with his teammates, but lazy is not something I'd call him.
Holy crap that's the first real answer I've seen out of you Thundercles!
I have to full agree with you here.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 2:03 pm to stapuffmarshy
Smart QBs are not produced by a school system...they are a product of smart DNA and dedication to constant improvement...neither of which does JJ have...he has a strong arm and can throw the ball accurately when under the right conditions...but he does not have IT...many good QBs have IT but without the stong arm...I hope JJ proves me wrong and makes All_american this year and takes us to a NC....
Posted on 3/23/11 at 2:05 pm to Thundercles
quote:So what are people who believe in Lee and Mett? They believe in those guys and believe they would give LSU a better chance to succeed in the future.
Glad to see some positive people
quote:Is this surprising? Neither has Lee does that mean he should start?
but he has certainly NEVER quit on the team
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