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re: Didn't really see any coaching errors in the game
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:35 pm to NeverRains
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:35 pm to NeverRains
Not adjusting to Bama continually shutting down Beckham was an error
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Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:36 pm to Big EZ Tiger
It's funny...how everyone who hates Miles shifts their arguments to make sure he gets no credit and all the blame...
Offense was crappy-Miles' fault, can't develop QBs, too conservative play calling by CLM
Offense is good- Cam's the reason and any bad offensive decision is CLm's fault. FB fumbles, Miles fault.
Defense is good, chief is the reason. Defense sucks, miles doesn't teach discipline, can't recruit.
Team does well, we win with talent despite the coaching... Team does mediocre, poor coaching Miles responsible for decline.
Look, I'm frustrated with this team, it pisses me off that we finally get a good offense and the defense sucks, but you Miles haters are ridiculous twisting your arguments ever which way to blame Miles AND not give him any credit when we do well...you can't have it both ways...he is responsible for our sub-par season this year and he deserves credit for the seasons we have done well.
BTW-the team was in punt safe for the fake and I doubt seriously CLM made the call to give that ball to JC on the goal line.
Offense was crappy-Miles' fault, can't develop QBs, too conservative play calling by CLM
Offense is good- Cam's the reason and any bad offensive decision is CLm's fault. FB fumbles, Miles fault.
Defense is good, chief is the reason. Defense sucks, miles doesn't teach discipline, can't recruit.
Team does well, we win with talent despite the coaching... Team does mediocre, poor coaching Miles responsible for decline.
Look, I'm frustrated with this team, it pisses me off that we finally get a good offense and the defense sucks, but you Miles haters are ridiculous twisting your arguments ever which way to blame Miles AND not give him any credit when we do well...you can't have it both ways...he is responsible for our sub-par season this year and he deserves credit for the seasons we have done well.
BTW-the team was in punt safe for the fake and I doubt seriously CLM made the call to give that ball to JC on the goal line.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:40 pm to Geauxgurt
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Not being prepared for the fake punt is a coaching error. It wasn't like Bama just got it.
I don't know what they said on tv but we were in safe obj was purely for just in case...really well designed play call only by Bama...I mean I don't know what people's gripe is with miles for THIS game we came out and drove at will the first half and played well on d second half defense adjustments or lack there of was a problem and defensive personnel is a problem which is on chavis...,
Now systemic issues as far as talent level which is currently down IMO is on miles....do I want a change? I don't know I still support les because if les does well Lsu does well he's a great guy etc but also wouldn't be upset if we got someone new with excitement coming in
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:40 pm to Geauxgurt
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Not being prepared for the fake punt is a coaching error. It wasn't like Bama just got it.
Honestly I think they really just got it.
Saban said he saw they brought the defense back out to play for a fake. They felt the design of the fake was good for the defensive alignment. It was just a well designed play and execution. We didn't execute.
I don't understand how people could believe the coaches didn't believe it could possibly be faked. They had three guys standing back off the line. They had two ends standing up to react. It was a five man front.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:43 pm to thetruth2006
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Pretty sure even Saban said otherwise in on-field interview post-game. But doesn't matter now. Was a huge play and marked the turning point in the game.
You're wrong. Saban said that we were in safe and that's why they ran that specific play. You're not very good at listening and comprehension.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:44 pm to NeverRains
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How does out fullback fumble on the 1-yard line against the #1 team in the nation?
Les has coached and won a lot more games than I.
However, right after Copeland fumbled, my first random thought was: why did we pick now, at this crucial moment, in the most crucial game of the year, to get our FB his first carry in almost a month?
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:44 pm to NeverRains
The one coaching error I detected was having Mett in the game on the 4th and 28 at the end. Bad decision.
Coaching errors by Miles is he doesn't have a disciplined squad. Too many mental errors, too many penalties. All point to the HC and staff.
Coaching errors by Miles is he doesn't have a disciplined squad. Too many mental errors, too many penalties. All point to the HC and staff.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:50 pm to Adam Banks
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I don't know what they said on tv but we were in safe obj was purely for just in case...really well designed play call only by Bama...I mean I don't know what people's gripe is with miles for THIS game we came out and drove at will the first half and played well on d second half defense adjustments or lack there of was a problem and defensive personnel is a problem which is on chavis...,
I agree it was a tough play to stop, and I am just saying that even in punt safe with only 2 yards to gain the players all looked confused and Bama ran a well coached and thought out play.
That said, that play was the least of our worries. Offense was fine until the second drive of the second half when they basically called stupid plays and then the play calling went to crap along with everything else on both sides of the ball.
In the end, this game wasn't all on Miles and was more a team failure in coaching, play by the players and simply being outmanned.
What I saw in the second half was a team that gave up which is becoming a common theme for Les' teams.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:53 pm to Colonel Flagg
Talent and player development are going to be tough if you don't hit very consistently on every prospect with so many early entrants to the draft. We had 6-7 guys that should have been seniors go to the NFL last year on defense. Having just a couple of those guys could have made a huge impact.
I think that has to be tough as a coach to rebuild like that. Just look how big CJ Mosely was in the game yesterday. He was a draft eligible player who was an all American last season.
I think that has to be tough as a coach to rebuild like that. Just look how big CJ Mosely was in the game yesterday. He was a draft eligible player who was an all American last season.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:58 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Talent and player development are going to be tough if you don't hit very consistently on every prospect with so many early entrants to the draft. We had 6-7 guys that should have been seniors go to the NFL last year on defense. Having just a couple of those guys could have made a huge impact.
I think that has to be tough as a coach to rebuild like that. Just look how big CJ Mosely was in the game yesterday. He was a draft eligible player who was an all American last season.
You ignore one fact. Our DBs and DL all regressed last season, and the ones that came back this season have all regressed. While this defense would be more talented had many come back, the fact is that they all likely continue to regress and this defense still isn't that good.
With all of those guys, the defense last season still couldn't close out games strongly. Look at Bama, USCe, A&M, UF and Clemson (this one is a bit tough given the anemic offense) games. All were games with leads in the second half and most in the final minutes that were either lost or went down to final drives because the defense shat the bed to close out the games.
All that happened this season is the flawed coaching and scheme are being exposed for what they are and LSU's recruiting failures in 2011 and 2012 are showing.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:03 am to GABlueDog
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why did we pick now, at this crucial moment, in the most crucial game of the year, to get our FB his first carry in almost a month?
The play was wide open so that is confirmation it was a good call. It is called all the time in the NFL.
Copeland also has plenty of attempts that he should be able to be depended on a short play like that.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:06 am to thekid
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BTW-the team was in punt safe for the fake and I doubt seriously CLM made the call to give that ball to JC on the goal line.
The punt fake was a well designed play that might have faked us out whether we were really prepared for it or not.
As for JC, I don't know who called it, but I know a coach did and that falls under coaching. Miles knows which plays are called - I'm sure he has some veto power if he didn't like it. JC gets most of the blame for fumbling. But again, the dude hasn't played in about a month and barely carries the ball as it is.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:11 am to Geauxgurt
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With all of those guys, the defense last season still couldn't close out games strongly.
The defense quit after the Bama game last year. Wouldn't matter if those guys came back or not.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:27 am to Colonel Flagg
I question the decision to pull Rashard Robinson in favor of Jalen Mills because of one pass interference penalty.
Mills was picked on the rest of the game. Think we needed Rashard in this game.
Mills was picked on the rest of the game. Think we needed Rashard in this game.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The defense quit after the Bama game last year. Wouldn't matter if those guys came back or not.
That's my point. It's a systemic failure, not just a talent one. Largely hinging on coaching.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:31 am to NeverRains
the initial gameplan was a good one, and it worked well for a half or so.
then, when adjustments had to be made, bama's were always 2-3 steps ahead of LSU's.
the second half was a complete mauling. their trenches practically mauled ours, their coaching staff mauled ours in the X's and O's.
I've seen a few other posts out there that put the blame on the players, but damn, when should a coaching staff get any heat? Never?
UGA was on Mills/Welter/DL/whoever else.
Ole Miss was on Mettenberger.
Bama was on the entire team.
everyone except for the coaches.
That can't be the answer, this year can't fall squarely on the players, and you can't give the coaches a mulligan for this year.
then, when adjustments had to be made, bama's were always 2-3 steps ahead of LSU's.
the second half was a complete mauling. their trenches practically mauled ours, their coaching staff mauled ours in the X's and O's.
I've seen a few other posts out there that put the blame on the players, but damn, when should a coaching staff get any heat? Never?
UGA was on Mills/Welter/DL/whoever else.
Ole Miss was on Mettenberger.
Bama was on the entire team.
everyone except for the coaches.
That can't be the answer, this year can't fall squarely on the players, and you can't give the coaches a mulligan for this year.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:37 am to The Egg
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Ole Miss was on Mettenberger.
While I agree he was a huge part of the loss, the defense couldn't stop a 3rd down conversion to saver their lives and basically lost that game on the final drive.
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That can't be the answer, this year can't fall squarely on the players, and you can't give the coaches a mulligan for this year.
This team is a reflection of their coach and lacks true leadership especially on the defensive side of the ball at a player level. I truly think that 2011 was the result of true leaders on both sides of the ball with Lee/OL for the offense and TM7 and especially Brandon Taylor on the defensive side.
Last two seasons LSU hasn't had that and hasn't developed it without Ron Cooper coaching DBs and mediocre leaders at LBer outside of Minter.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:43 am to Geauxgurt
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Our DBs and DL all regressed last season, and the ones that came back this season have all regressed.
Agree and this is a hard pill to swallow.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:43 am to vjp819
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Then I wonder why in any big game where our talent is comparable to our opponent, that you can almost figure before the game even begins that the team that will have errors at the most critical times will be LSU.
Talent s level is not the same, neither is the experience level.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:45 am to Geauxgurt
everyone shares the blame. it just doesn't make sense to me when people try to place blame squarely on the players and try to absolve miles and his staff of any missteps this year.
There was a ton of attrition that happened, at an unprecedented level. Of course that has played a hand in the struggles. But, a great coaching staff will develop these guys into realizing their potential. Do we even see these guys improving?
Linebackers are still playing at the same level that they have in the early part of the season.
Defensive backs are still blowing coverages and giving up huge, back-breaking completions.
Defensive linemen are being pancaked to holy hell with literally little to no resistance.
My point being...there are problem areas that are actually regressing, not the other way around. Coaching them up should rectify some of that, no? We have seen the exact opposite.
And all we hear is a freaking comment about a hammer and a nail.
This staff has been the nail 3 times already this year.
There was a ton of attrition that happened, at an unprecedented level. Of course that has played a hand in the struggles. But, a great coaching staff will develop these guys into realizing their potential. Do we even see these guys improving?
Linebackers are still playing at the same level that they have in the early part of the season.
Defensive backs are still blowing coverages and giving up huge, back-breaking completions.
Defensive linemen are being pancaked to holy hell with literally little to no resistance.
My point being...there are problem areas that are actually regressing, not the other way around. Coaching them up should rectify some of that, no? We have seen the exact opposite.
And all we hear is a freaking comment about a hammer and a nail.
This staff has been the nail 3 times already this year.
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