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Posted on 9/10/26 at 1:44 pm to LivingstonLaw
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He was auto-enrolled in the draft because he did not have any college eligibility left
Why is THIS soft language used for any of the players not for LSU?
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participated in workouts with the Saints and Arizona Cardinals
Sounds like a pro player who had pro coaching at pro facilities with pro ownership and leadership.
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but never signing an NFL contract
Literally why does this matter when he already participated in the league and numerous college players SIGNED CONTRACTS to earn MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? That is a literally meaningless distinction. It is a line in the sand just to make one.
This is ex post facto law/rule making, and LSU is being punished for it. It is unconscionable.
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The American Conference issued a statement last week that participating in an NFL tryout would not trigger a punishment.
This is what the NCAA's inaction and the SEC's actions have led to, the ACTUAL blending of professional and collegiate/amateur football. We previously had a bright line rule that ANY NFL association cut you off from college. We had the chance to make a one-time exception for the class of '22 who got screwed by the NCAA for players who didn't make a 53-man roster. Really simple.
Now, the rule will be that any player at any point at any year of collegiate play can declare for the NFL, train with teams and coaches, use facilities, go through camps, etc. but so long as they by God didn't sign some arbitrary piece of paper to make LESS than they did in college they can come right on back! Aw shucks but we sure give a mother of frick about maintaining the amateurism of college football, don't we??? Just to own the LSU tigers by gosh!
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 9/10/26 at 1:47 pm to KiwiHead
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They had a problem with guys signing UDFA contracts. There is a difference if you wash the wax out of your ears.
What is the difference? Wash the wax out of your brain. What difference does it make?
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:00 pm to KiwiHead
That's insane that singing a piece of paper and then making zero dollars and never stepping foot on a field, facility or donning a uniform. Is viewed as more of a competitive advantage, because you "went pro".
But actually, suiting up, practicing and learning with the pros in a mini camp. Isn't viewed as a competitive advantage. Because you never signed a piece of paper.
So, you mean to tell me that anyone can just walk up to an NFL facility. Suit up and go participate in an NFL minicamp without signing the first piece of paper or any agreements or conversations with the club? Damn
But actually, suiting up, practicing and learning with the pros in a mini camp. Isn't viewed as a competitive advantage. Because you never signed a piece of paper.
So, you mean to tell me that anyone can just walk up to an NFL facility. Suit up and go participate in an NFL minicamp without signing the first piece of paper or any agreements or conversations with the club? Damn
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:10 pm to Picayuner
Yes, for all extents and purposes. However, the wording and stipulations inside of the contracts matter. I would have to check the provisions under the CBA that the NFL has with the Players Association as to whether it makes the status captive. Meaning does signing the contract with the NFL prevent you from being a part of another league that is defined as a football league. We know that it does not necessarily stop a player from being a part of another professional sports league like MLB.
Lots of things go into a contract like consideration and term ( time) as well as other things because a pro contract is for specific performance like making the team, etc.
If the NCAA and the respective conferences have a rule about professional players or former professional player not being eligible, the argument then becomes what constitutes professional and under this NIL regime the lines are starting to get blurred now that the Universities are straight up paying them and not a booster or outside entity. Going forward, LSU and Bama as well as other top programs are somewhat hemmed in by what amounts to a salary cap. But not entirely....something like 20 million max each....maybe slightly more.
I've only casually observed this, so I'm not diving into the minutiae of it all which can be exhaustive and since you keep getting all of these court decisions , leaving out the one in BR, it gets really tangled. We are probably headed for an NFL lite and even something like that may blur already blurred lines.
Lots of things go into a contract like consideration and term ( time) as well as other things because a pro contract is for specific performance like making the team, etc.
If the NCAA and the respective conferences have a rule about professional players or former professional player not being eligible, the argument then becomes what constitutes professional and under this NIL regime the lines are starting to get blurred now that the Universities are straight up paying them and not a booster or outside entity. Going forward, LSU and Bama as well as other top programs are somewhat hemmed in by what amounts to a salary cap. But not entirely....something like 20 million max each....maybe slightly more.
I've only casually observed this, so I'm not diving into the minutiae of it all which can be exhaustive and since you keep getting all of these court decisions , leaving out the one in BR, it gets really tangled. We are probably headed for an NFL lite and even something like that may blur already blurred lines.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:13 pm to KiwiHead
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There is a difference if you wash the wax out of your ears.
The only difference is the piece of paper. Yall seem to think the only way to create a contract is to put some squiggles on a line. That's not at all how contracts work.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:13 pm to LivingstonLaw
No, they left voluntarily to "focus on academics."
Pretty boneheaded move, in retrospect.
Pretty boneheaded move, in retrospect.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:17 pm to KiwiHead
quote:. Actually it’s very relevant. Two different scenarios on why, but both Chambliss and the 2 “nfl” guys are rulled ineligible by the NCAA. All gor TRSOs to play. The SEC only seemed to take a stand and go in contempt for one.
Irrelevant. This was about signing professional contracts. Chambliss did not sign a contract.
Now with the new NCAA ruling that mini camp equals ineligible, not a contract, seems there are a lot of teams including Texas that need to be drug over the coals and beat down with threats of fines.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:18 pm to Y.A. Tittle
xavier harris received no guaranteed monies. was reimbursed evidently for $190 in gas expenses. his standard rookie contract was tore up without him having stepping on the practice field, dawning an nfl helmet or doing anything else just like other UDFA's from college that was coming off of late season injuries.
high school recruits meanwhile going on official visits can get put up in hotels, have meals paid for, flights paid for, rental cars paid for and get the red carpet far beyond $190. hell, in today's world, some of these athletes are probably getting paid straight cash just to visit a school.
Meanwhile, thru no fault of Ole Miss' Xavier Harris that was auto enrolled in the nfl draft without being aware of an opportunity to play a 5th year of ncaa, took advantage of an obvious opportunity to tryout his nfl career when was offered a standard rookie contract but did zero participation.
high school recruits meanwhile going on official visits can get put up in hotels, have meals paid for, flights paid for, rental cars paid for and get the red carpet far beyond $190. hell, in today's world, some of these athletes are probably getting paid straight cash just to visit a school.
Meanwhile, thru no fault of Ole Miss' Xavier Harris that was auto enrolled in the nfl draft without being aware of an opportunity to play a 5th year of ncaa, took advantage of an obvious opportunity to tryout his nfl career when was offered a standard rookie contract but did zero participation.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:18 pm to Picayuner
No they aren't bonfire, but they are probably bona fide
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:22 pm to KiwiHead
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Not arguing the stupidity of that. But this about signing a pro contract. Unless I'm missing something, did Trinidad Chambliss sign a pro contract?
I hear this a lot and I’m the only one that feels he’s taking crazy pills? The main defense for Chambliss is “he didn’t sign a pro contract”. Regardless of the reason why. He is rulled ineligible by the ncaa. Same thing with this NFL deal. They are ruled ineligible. So the punishment/issue would be playing ineligible players. One is not more ineligible than the other and no one can choose what TRSO you are going to ignore depending on what the reason for ineligibility are.
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:26 pm to KiwiHead
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Going forward, LSU and Bama as well as other top programs are somewhat hemmed in by what amounts to a salary cap. But not entirely....something like 20 million max each....maybe slightly more.
Where did this come from?
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:26 pm to KiwiHead
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The SEC did not really have a problem with attending a mini camp or a try out for the 22 guys. They had a problem with guys signing UDFA contracts
First of all sec made Texas send their guard packing after ONLY attending a UDFA mini camp with (supposedly) no signed contract.
Secondly, we did not roster either of the two players we were after. We did not practice either of the two players. We did not obviously play either of the two players.
No rules were broken in this adventure.
Thirdly- you and I both know NONE of this is about what it appears. The SEC has an axe to grind, and it came out earlier today. They do not like the governor. They do not like Kiffin. They do not like Will Wade. Period.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:35 pm to coonass27
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and I’m the only one that feels he’s taking crazy pills?
No, I’m right there with you.
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One is not more ineligible than the other and no one can choose what TRSO you are going to ignore depending on what the reason for ineligibility are.
Apparently the SEC can and is doing just that. I fully understand the arbitrary line being drawn in the sand is “signing an NFL contract.” But also fully agree with you that the other players across the SEC, this one with Tulane, and more across the NCAA who had any participation whatsoever in the NFL should also be ineligible. Clearly Chambliss is ineligible also but only playing for to TRO. It makes no sense whatsoever.
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:35 pm to LivingstonLaw
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The SEC did not really have a problem with attending a mini camp or a try out for the 22 guys. They had a problem with guys signing UDFA contracts. There is a difference if you wash the wax out of your ears.
But it was okay for other schools to do it.
Which schools rostered a player who signed a UDFA contract? As far as I know, no school has.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:45 pm to KiwiHead
Is Bama expelled for signing and playing Charles Bediako?
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 2:45 pm
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