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Day after the bloodbath: good, bad and ugly
Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:19 am
Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:19 am
The good: We are still recruiting on an elite level. This season is a shite show, but next season is actually shaping up to be halfway decent with returning talent. Coaching changes will most certainly happen. Get ready for "private donors" to step up and help LSU buy out contracts as necessary for the DC position if needed (when). He has a track record of fixing things relatively quickly (see Matt Canada).
The bad: Coach O may be a great position coach, a great CEO, and recruiter - but he depends 100% on an elite level OC and DC. The problem for Coach O is that his evaluations of OCs and DCs are a crapshoot at best. Matt Canada was a terrible fit, as is Pellini. These are not terrible coaches, but they are terrible FITS for LSU.
The ugly: The current team and coaches appear clueless on how to fix the problems on the field (and, perhaps, off the field). This is troubling after game 5. Not only do they seem clueless, but whatever adjustments have been made are making matters worse. There is no leadership whatsoever, players have regressed. Communication on the field is broken. Players are out of position. A simple misdirection leaves the D completely dumbstruck. This cannot happen with Division 1 athletes. Forget about making halftime adjustments, this coaching staff cannot make game-to-game adjustments or even mid-season adjustments. Ultimately, the buck stops with O - and he seems clueless as well.
The bad: Coach O may be a great position coach, a great CEO, and recruiter - but he depends 100% on an elite level OC and DC. The problem for Coach O is that his evaluations of OCs and DCs are a crapshoot at best. Matt Canada was a terrible fit, as is Pellini. These are not terrible coaches, but they are terrible FITS for LSU.
The ugly: The current team and coaches appear clueless on how to fix the problems on the field (and, perhaps, off the field). This is troubling after game 5. Not only do they seem clueless, but whatever adjustments have been made are making matters worse. There is no leadership whatsoever, players have regressed. Communication on the field is broken. Players are out of position. A simple misdirection leaves the D completely dumbstruck. This cannot happen with Division 1 athletes. Forget about making halftime adjustments, this coaching staff cannot make game-to-game adjustments or even mid-season adjustments. Ultimately, the buck stops with O - and he seems clueless as well.
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Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:20 am to Tony The Tiger
TLDR
We suck
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We suck
/thread
Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:21 am to Tony The Tiger
quote:
The good: We are still recruiting on an elite level
Maybe. Let’s revisit this after signing day and see how many of these elite commitments actually sign the LOI and show up on campus.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:23 am to Tony The Tiger
Team has quit.
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Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:23 am to Tony The Tiger
Canada was a savant compared to Pelini 2.0.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:25 am to Tony The Tiger
Why would ANYONE think Orgeron is a “great CEO”?
Agree he is a great recruiter and position coach.
Agree he is a great recruiter and position coach.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:51 am to nitwit
Orgeron has clearly demonstrated he is a top head coach. Not really up for discussion
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:21 am to Tony The Tiger
The good: I didn’t see any injuries yesterday.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:26 am to Tony The Tiger
Yaw yaw is supposed to be good at getting teams fired up to play and mentally prepared. I don't blame the defense for this one but they looked lethargic in the 2nd half. He's in trouble is this 2020 class gets away from him.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:31 am to memphis tiger
This - people better get ready for defects between now and early signing.
AL lays up a 50+ point win then AL, GA, OhSt, FL and Clemson will probably get some of the current commits and prospects.
AL lays up a 50+ point win then AL, GA, OhSt, FL and Clemson will probably get some of the current commits and prospects.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:38 am to Tony The Tiger
quote:
A simple misdirection leaves the D completely dumbstruck.
Of all the things I witnessed, that was most maddening.
How many times did a simple misdirection go for huge chunks of yardage.
And why in the hell did no one pick up the guy in motion. Auburn ran plays to the motion man many a time and LSU failed to pick him up almost every time.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:53 am to PUB
quote:
people better get ready for defects between now and early signing.
AL lays up a 50+ point win then AL, GA, OhSt, FL and Clemson will probably get some of the current commits and prospects.
The best class in LSU history came when we were so bad we fired our head coach halfway through the year. We signed:
Jacoby Stevens
Klavon Chaisson
Austin Deculus
Tyler Shelvin
Jacob Phillips
Grant Delpit
Todd Harris
Kary Vincent
Myles Brennan
Ed Ingram
Tyler Taylor
Saahdiq Charles
Neil Farrell
Patrick Quenn
Clyde Edwards Helaire
Justin Thomas
Racey McMath
Jontre Kirkland
Tori Carter
Justin Jefferson
The misses were Moffitt, Stewart, Netherly and Narcisse. THAT class drove this team to the championship. The best of that class is gone, and the 2018 class, which is powering this team, is contributing, in 2020, only:
Terrace Marshall
Chasen Hines
Micah Baskerville
Chris Curry
Damone Clark
Cam Wire
Jaray Jenkins
Compare those two lists, and you will see THE problem. If you quit looking for other problems your head won’t hurt so much.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:59 am to Tony The Tiger
Coach O has proven he is not disciplined or mature enough to handle success. He used the offseason to ride high on the success of last season. Books, television appearances, and chasing young poon.
But he has recognized his problems in the past and corrected them once before. Thats how he was so successful last season. Maybe he can correct this too and have the program ready for next season.
But he has recognized his problems in the past and corrected them once before. Thats how he was so successful last season. Maybe he can correct this too and have the program ready for next season.
This post was edited on 11/1/20 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/1/20 at 9:07 am to mtntiger
Didn't O say after the Missouri loss that we were going to "simplify" the defense and even say something to the effect that whatever the initial defensive call is, that's what we are staying in regardless of what shifts the offense may show? I can't find the quote but I remember reading it and thinking the only thing more asinine than taking that position is to come right out and say it.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 9:09 am to Tony The Tiger
I disagree On the Pelini assessment. I dont Think fit is the issue. I thinknits Coaching.
I expected A struggle transitioning back to a 4-3 but that’s not what we’re seeing. We’re seeing a complete breakdown and regression from anyone who was in the team last year.
In theory, 4-3 or 3-4 our secondary assignments should remain the same. They haven’t and we’re fricking up
I expected A struggle transitioning back to a 4-3 but that’s not what we’re seeing. We’re seeing a complete breakdown and regression from anyone who was in the team last year.
In theory, 4-3 or 3-4 our secondary assignments should remain the same. They haven’t and we’re fricking up
This post was edited on 11/1/20 at 9:10 am
Posted on 11/1/20 at 9:09 am to Tony The Tiger
Yall still melting? The China virus just really screwed the country up. Nobody cares anymore.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 9:11 am to Tony The Tiger
If you’re going to have a “CEO” coach he better make the right hires. That’s the one job if a CEO.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 9:17 am to Tony The Tiger
This team ain’t worth a broke-dick dog right now. This 0’s ship. He brought us here. He needs to get us out or move on.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 9:22 am to nitwit
quote:
Why would ANYONE think Orgeron is a “great CEO”?
Agree he is a great recruiter and position coach.
Who do think brought Joe Brady in? Just stop. Yes, Pelini is a dumpster fire. O will get this sorted out.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 9:30 am to nitwit
Why do you think he is a great position coach. When since he has been here have we had an elite d-line ? He is a good recruiter and that is it and that can be enough actually if he can get good coaches to help.
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