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re: Daniels is a top 5 LSU QB of all time
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:47 pm to ShermanTxTiger
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:47 pm to ShermanTxTiger
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ShermanTxTiger
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So sick of the Nuss crap.
Only one poster mentioned Nuss in this thread??
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Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:48 pm to spiderman
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Which of these QBs is he better than? Joe Burrow Jamarcus Russell Bert Jones Tommy Hodson Rohan Davey YA Tittle Matt Mauck Matt Flynn Zach Metternberger
Only Burrow, Davey, Russell, and Mettenberger ever had a season with more yards than Daniels threw last year. And Daniels still led the team in rushing in the same year. Daniels will very possibly have the second best season ever this year.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:52 pm to spiderman
Maulk, Flynn, mett at least
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:54 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Daniels is a top 5 LSU QB of all time
Yep… I’m putting him behind burrow, Flynn, MM and Russell (only bc #1 overall draft)
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:54 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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of all time
Meh.
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of all time
If Burrow is #1 (and he is), then there are only 4 spots left.
So, what are JD's credentials for Top 5? Throwing 2913 for 2022. A Tiger Stadium win against Bama. 5 TD passes against Grambling. He's also rushed for almost 1000 yards and 11 TDs.
The knocks (so far) - he's only 11-5 as a starter right now. Biggest win is a regular season game and has only earned a part of a championship.
I think we need more to put him past Hodson who just has a massive career record. Mauck is the second best 2-year starter after Burrow. And then you have both Davey and Russell to contend with. Even Flynn would edge out Daniels at this point in the "of all time" category. That would probably be true for Bert Jones.
Difference is - Daniels is still playing and can get to that Top 5 status by just winning. 2023 wins out and, which will almost certainly be on Daniels legs/arm, and he's probably there.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:55 pm to Butch Baum
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What does he not have that Mauck, Flynn, and Burrow do?
I believe you know that answer lol
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:55 pm to spiderman
All except burrow and Jamarcus
Burt and YA played in a different century.
Burt and YA played in a different century.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:04 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
Your post is solid except…
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Even Flynn would edge out Daniels at this point in the "of all time" category. That would probably be true for Bert Jones
Flynn only started one season. Yes we won’t natty but Flynn put up very modest numbers. In fact, Jayden has already surpassed his career passing yards by a lot in less than 1.5 seasons.
As for Jones, it’s impossible to compare those guys from back then to todays game. But if people want to compare them, it’s hard to ignore than Jayden’s 1+ season has already surpassed Jones’s entire career at LSU as well
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:06 pm to JimTiger72
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He already was before today’s game.
Threw for 2900 yds last year
So, you have Mett as a Top 5 LSU QB of all time?
Interdasting...
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:08 pm to Ace Midnight
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So, you have Mett as a Top 5 LSU QB of all time?
He threw for 3100 yards in a Les Miles offense...
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:09 pm to SMD
Can any of those guys throw and was a REAL threat running the football.a few of them could run but not a threat every time.he might not be top 5 but he is different
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:10 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
Statistics wise, he was the second best LSU QB ever last year.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:15 pm to notbilly
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As for Jones, it’s impossible to compare those guys from back then to todays game.
Fair enough, but "of all time" is "of all time". Not "since the forward pass". Not "since Mac". "Of all time" and I definitely tried to give all the JD credentials for that tag. Has he accomplished a lot? Sure. Mett threw for over 3000 yards in a season.
Did JD throw 5 TD passes in a game? Yes. Against Grambling. Max Johnson threw 5 TDs against Central Michigan. Max Johnson threw for 2815 and 27 TDs in 2021. Newsflash! - Max Johnson isn't a Top 5 "of all time" QB.
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Flynn only started one season. Yes we won’t natty but Flynn put up very modest numbers.
Respectfully, Flynn's career stat line:
11-2 as a starter. Big wins in 2 Bowl games. 437-254-14 for 3096 yards(against SEC defenses in the mid aughts), 31 TDs, plus his 128/341 rushing, 5 TDs with the BCS win is an objectively better stat line than JD's to this point.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:17 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
OP out his fricking mine
Not even top 10 all time
Not even top 10 all time
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:17 pm to Butch Baum
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What does he not have that Mauck, Flynn, and Burrow do?
Championship defense.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:17 pm to spiderman
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Which of these QBs is he better than?
Joe Burrow
Jamarcus Russell
Bert Jones
Tommy Hodson
Rohan Davey
YA Tittle
Matt Mauck
Matt Flynn
Zach Metternberger
Mettenberger
Flynn
Mauck
Tittle
Hodson
Jones
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:18 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Daniels is a top 5 LSU QB of all time
Pump the brakes there chief. Let him finish the season before you declare him GOAT.
This post was edited on 9/16/23 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:18 pm to Damone
Objectively speaking Mauck was mediocre at best. He just happened to be the right fit on a great team.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:20 pm to spiderman
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Joe Burrow Jamarcus Russell Bert Jones Tommy Hodson Rohan Davey YA Tittle Matt Mauck Matt Flynn Zach Metternberger
Daniels is definitely a step up over both Matt’s. I’m not old enough to have sufficient context for Hodson or Jones (I have NFL legacy for Tittle). I don’t think Jaylen is as good a passer as Mett, but Zach was a statue in the pocket and had great running backs to help him out.
I would say Burrow, Russell, and YA Tittle are clearly superior. I think Daniels is probably roughly on par with Rohan.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:22 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
You make some solid points. I’ve been high on JD but it does feel premature to start proclaiming him a top 5 LSU QB of all time.
I think he could get there, but I don’t think he’s there right now when you account for differences in the style of play, number of games, etc.
Now if we are talking top 5 in what most would call the “modern” era of LSU football - i.e. since Saban - that’s probably a much more reasonable take.
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