re: Dan Quinn's comments about Jayden Daniels has me feeling good about LSU QB' going forward

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but the work LSU is doing with the quarterbacks, including the VR room, it's getting them NFL ready.

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Absolutely. Daniels didn't start his career at LSU with that mindset. If the first option was covered he tucked it and ran. Then in the third game, in his last season, the light came on and he executed the plays at a high level.

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Winning the Heisman twice in the span of a few years sure helps. Would love to see Nuss run it back to back.

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I know Vegas puts odds on this but what do we think Nuss' odds are? Does he really have a decent shot at that? I think we will run a good bit with some long throws. Maybe he gets in sync early on and has a great season. I'd love to ground and pound that ball all season and watch our lineman do great.

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Not necessarily. 4 National Championships and only 1 of those seasons ended with a heisman. Again while we expect him to be productive that doesn’t mean that there isn’t another player in the country who wins it despite not winning or competing in the playoff. Heisman is too subjective.

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While I don't disagree with your post, overall, it would be remiss not to mention that Cannon's Heisman was setup by a championship the year before.

Daniels is actually the outlier in that he won the Heisman without really sniffing a championship at LSU.

In a way, you can think of it:

1958 - Cannon won the Heisman (but in 1959)

2003 - LSU was somewhat of a surprise champ, a total team effort and the SEC "superstar" that year was Eli Manning, so he got all of the SEC votes. There was no West Coast frontrunner (Leinart was about it, but he even split the USC love with one of his receivers, Mike Williams)

2007 - Dorsey was the national award standout on the team and impressively finished 9th in the Heisman as a defensive tackle. The 2006 "setup year" for Jamarcus was wasted when he went on to fail in the NFL instead of leading the 2007 team to a championship (and likely being very competitive for the Heisman the same year)

2019 - Joe Burrow. 'Nuff said.

2023 - Daniels (with merely an average or say, Top 30 to 35 defense, this team likely wins it all)

So, those are the 4 championship years, plus Daniels (the 3rd winner).

Other years with an LSU Heisman candidate include Charles Alexander (1977 and 1978, but that was mostly individual effort, plus a decent OL - those later Mac teams were not particularly competitive), Burt Jones (1972, one of the last of the great Mac teams), and Jerry Stovall (2nd in one of the closest votes ever, the leader of Mac's very first team as head coach), but none of these teams would have been necessarily championship caliber (1962 was a great team, though.)


ETA: Interesting to note, Mac's best team - certainly best defense - was 1969 and there was no Heisman buzz around any player.

Im a thinker I dont care what the rant says !

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In a way, you can think of it:

1958 - Cannon won the Heisman (but in 1959)

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Facts are facts. The fact is that 1958 was not when Cannon won the Heisman. He won it the following season. So the fact remains that we have 4 National Championships and only 1 of those seasons had both a Heisman winner and National Championship in the same season. 1 does not equal the other.

2 of our Heisman winners won it in a year that we didn't win the Championship. While Cannon did win the Championship with the team the previous season that does not change the fact that 1959 was the year he won it with that Punt Return on Halloween night as the main reason.

So no, 3 Heismans only 1 season did the Heisman winner win the National title that season. 4 National Titles, 3 National titles did not have a Heisman winner that same season.

Half of this board was calling for him to be benched and Nuss bus to start last year. I member.

Washington better learn how to block because JD will be running for his life

“Do we really even exist, or are we a figment of someones imagination only sticking around until they wake up? Assumptions have to be made at some point.”
We only know what the mind tells us we know. Everything you think you experience could be hallucinations. However, hallucinations come from our mind. Therefore we really exist. No assumptions needed. Don’t assume assumptions need to be made in that regard. But it’s required that we make assumptions to carry out our life and to state our OPINIONS on the rant. So, JD5 could read defenses his first year here. How well? Ask him.

Todd McShay was on Russillo a while back, prior to this last draft, and he talked about the difference between years 1 and 2 for Daniels. He said in year 1, he'd talk to Kelly and the big thing they were trying to get him to do was to just throw it, trust your receivers. You'd see it in those games, he'd see the right guy, but either wait too long to throw it or just tuck it and run. It wasn't about his ability to read, per se, just confidence in himself with a new team, and new OC, and brand new players.

Year 2, there was continuity and familiarity, and he shined.

Daniels can do so much running the ball, but they had to convince him "the receivers you have are going to do great things if you just get them the ball".