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re: Dale Brown:Underrated or Overrated
Posted on 10/15/21 at 12:49 pm to dukke v
Posted on 10/15/21 at 12:49 pm to dukke v
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Man screw off….. you don’t know crap, esp if you are saying you are a former coach yourself… like YOU could have done better.
Never said anything of the sort. Now cry yourself back to sleep, Al Bundy.
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Posted on 10/15/21 at 12:52 pm to dukke v
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Man screw off….. you don’t know crap, esp if you are saying you are a former coach yourself… like YOU could have done better.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 12:54 pm to Madking
From Wikipedia:
Brown is the only SEC coach to have ever appeared in 15 straight national tournaments and only 11 coaches in NCAA history have made more consecutive NCAA appearances (10). Only the legendary Adolph Rupp of Kentucky has won more games in SEC history. Brown and Rupp are the only SEC coaches that had 17 consecutive non-losing seasons. Only 4 coaches in the SEC have won more conference championships, Adolph Rupp, Joe Hall, Tubby Smith, and Billy Donovan.
Only seven coaches in the SEC have led their teams to two Final Fours or more while coaching SEC teams. They are Dale Brown, John Calipari, Billy Donovan, Joe B. Hall, Rick Pitino, Nolan Richardson, and Adolph Rupp.
On nine occasions Brown was selected as the SEC Coach of the Year or Runner-Up. He was twice chosen as the National Coach of the Year. In a 10-year span from 1977–1986, LSU is the only school to finish in the first division of the SEC. He has the distinction of beating Kentucky 18 times more than any coach in the nation. 115 of 160 of his players received their college degrees. He is a member of the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame and Basketball Coaches Hall of Fame. In 2004, he was inducted as an SEC Living Legend. In 2010, the Tiger Rag, the Bible of LSU sports, ranked Brown in the top 5 of the most influential people in LSU athletics history. He was selected by Bleacher Report as one of the 50 greatest basketball coaches in college basketball history.
In 1982, Brown coached the West team in the College All-Star game, defeating the Bob Knight-coached East team, 102–68. In 1990, he coached the South team in the National Olympic Festival, winning the gold medal over the Lon Kruger-coached North team, 95–94.
During Brown's era,LSU set the record for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th largest paid attendance for a regular season game in college basketball history.
1-20-90 Superdome - 68,112 - LSU 87 Notre Dame 64
1-28-89 Superdome - 66,144 - LSU 82 Georgetown 80
1-03-92 Superdome - 61,304 - LSU 84 Texas 83
Legendary coach John Wooden and Billy Packer, CBS television analyst, have paid Coach Brown wonderful tributes about his career at LSU.
Wooden said, "Dale did an outstanding job in raising the level of LSU basketball to the status of equality to anyone in the country. Also, if heads of states throughout this troubled world of ours had real concern and consideration for others as Dale Brown, I doubt if our racial, religious, and political problems would be a major issue."[15]
Packer stated, "Dale Brown is one of those rare individuals who has the ability to take on the toughest of tasks regardless of the odds against success and come out a winner. He has proven to be one of college basketball's best and a fine coach and man."
Brown is the only SEC coach to have ever appeared in 15 straight national tournaments and only 11 coaches in NCAA history have made more consecutive NCAA appearances (10). Only the legendary Adolph Rupp of Kentucky has won more games in SEC history. Brown and Rupp are the only SEC coaches that had 17 consecutive non-losing seasons. Only 4 coaches in the SEC have won more conference championships, Adolph Rupp, Joe Hall, Tubby Smith, and Billy Donovan.
Only seven coaches in the SEC have led their teams to two Final Fours or more while coaching SEC teams. They are Dale Brown, John Calipari, Billy Donovan, Joe B. Hall, Rick Pitino, Nolan Richardson, and Adolph Rupp.
On nine occasions Brown was selected as the SEC Coach of the Year or Runner-Up. He was twice chosen as the National Coach of the Year. In a 10-year span from 1977–1986, LSU is the only school to finish in the first division of the SEC. He has the distinction of beating Kentucky 18 times more than any coach in the nation. 115 of 160 of his players received their college degrees. He is a member of the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame and Basketball Coaches Hall of Fame. In 2004, he was inducted as an SEC Living Legend. In 2010, the Tiger Rag, the Bible of LSU sports, ranked Brown in the top 5 of the most influential people in LSU athletics history. He was selected by Bleacher Report as one of the 50 greatest basketball coaches in college basketball history.
In 1982, Brown coached the West team in the College All-Star game, defeating the Bob Knight-coached East team, 102–68. In 1990, he coached the South team in the National Olympic Festival, winning the gold medal over the Lon Kruger-coached North team, 95–94.
During Brown's era,LSU set the record for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th largest paid attendance for a regular season game in college basketball history.
1-20-90 Superdome - 68,112 - LSU 87 Notre Dame 64
1-28-89 Superdome - 66,144 - LSU 82 Georgetown 80
1-03-92 Superdome - 61,304 - LSU 84 Texas 83
Legendary coach John Wooden and Billy Packer, CBS television analyst, have paid Coach Brown wonderful tributes about his career at LSU.
Wooden said, "Dale did an outstanding job in raising the level of LSU basketball to the status of equality to anyone in the country. Also, if heads of states throughout this troubled world of ours had real concern and consideration for others as Dale Brown, I doubt if our racial, religious, and political problems would be a major issue."[15]
Packer stated, "Dale Brown is one of those rare individuals who has the ability to take on the toughest of tasks regardless of the odds against success and come out a winner. He has proven to be one of college basketball's best and a fine coach and man."
Posted on 10/15/21 at 12:59 pm to AlecRock23
Overrated bigly
Posted on 10/15/21 at 1:04 pm to AlecRock23
Both, I think the Dale lovers of which there are still a good many I think slightly overrate him.
The Dale haters of which there are many underrate him.
The Dale haters of which there are many underrate him.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 1:05 pm to AlecRock23
Over
Posted on 10/15/21 at 1:08 pm to AlecRock23
Overrated....Guy's a buffoon!!
Posted on 10/15/21 at 1:09 pm to Relham10
Properly rated. He built LSU up, but then stayed too long and managed to destroy it and then worse came back and pissed on its ashes once and has started to do it again because his boy failed.
He could win with less talent and was a great motivator. he could also find talent but once he had it, the didn't finish the job.
Good coach, but the more he keeps being bitter the worse he makes this.
He could win with less talent and was a great motivator. he could also find talent but once he had it, the didn't finish the job.
Good coach, but the more he keeps being bitter the worse he makes this.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 1:28 pm to Big4SALTbro
Great at recruiting
Not so great on the Xs and Os
Not so great on the Xs and Os
Posted on 10/15/21 at 1:41 pm to AlecRock23
He came to a school that had basically two sports seasons. Spring football and fall football. He took that schools basketball program and directed it to 15 straight postseason appearances with two final fours and five sweet 16 .
Now there’s no doubt he lost his edge toward the end, but there’s also no doubt he made LSU basketball relevant when it had hardly ever been before in the schools history.
Underrated as far as his overall benefits to the LSU basketball program.
Now there’s no doubt he lost his edge toward the end, but there’s also no doubt he made LSU basketball relevant when it had hardly ever been before in the schools history.
Underrated as far as his overall benefits to the LSU basketball program.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 2:06 pm to AlecRock23
Over, well over.
He's a scumbag who refused to listen when people around the program told him to back off the paper bags, which ultimately got the program crushed with no hardware to show for it.
He's a scumbag who refused to listen when people around the program told him to back off the paper bags, which ultimately got the program crushed with no hardware to show for it.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 2:08 pm to nicholastiger
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He knew how bad basketball rules were being broken
He had first-hand knowledge of it.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 2:13 pm to AlecRock23
Underrated.
The narrative is that Brown was a great motivator, but a lousy X's and O's coach. Anyone who watched the team a lot during the 86-88 seasons should disabuse you of that notion.
His Freak Defense carried severely undertalented teams to the 86 Final Four and the 87 Mideast Regional Final, where they were within six seconds of a second Final Four in a row. Seriously, Ricky Blanton was the center on the first and Bernard Woodside shut down Steve Alford completely in the second. During the 89 season, playing #2 Georgetown in the Dome, their senior point guard Charles Smith had no clue what the defense was showing him.
It is certainly true that the Shaq teams underperformed. It's also true that his teams had a tendency to lose leads late (the aforementioned 87 Mideast Final to Indiana and 88 Georgetown games included.)
I'm not saying he was the best coach ever, but his on-the-floor coaching wasn't as bad as everyone says it was.
GEAUX TIGERS!
The narrative is that Brown was a great motivator, but a lousy X's and O's coach. Anyone who watched the team a lot during the 86-88 seasons should disabuse you of that notion.
His Freak Defense carried severely undertalented teams to the 86 Final Four and the 87 Mideast Regional Final, where they were within six seconds of a second Final Four in a row. Seriously, Ricky Blanton was the center on the first and Bernard Woodside shut down Steve Alford completely in the second. During the 89 season, playing #2 Georgetown in the Dome, their senior point guard Charles Smith had no clue what the defense was showing him.
It is certainly true that the Shaq teams underperformed. It's also true that his teams had a tendency to lose leads late (the aforementioned 87 Mideast Final to Indiana and 88 Georgetown games included.)
I'm not saying he was the best coach ever, but his on-the-floor coaching wasn't as bad as everyone says it was.
GEAUX TIGERS!
This post was edited on 10/15/21 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:01 pm to AlecRock23
Wimp Sanderson: "Dale, you have so much talent even you can't screw it up",
and then he did.
and then he did.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:07 pm to AlecRock23
Very overrated.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:16 pm to Thorny
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His Freak Defense carried severely undertalented teams to the 86 Final Four and the 87 Mideast Regional Final,
86 team was pretty frickin talented - John Williams, Derrick Taylor, Don Redden, Ricky Blanton and Anthony Wilson....started the season 14-0 then chicken pox hit kind of derailed them but finished well enough to get in the tourney and had their legs back by then. Too say that team was undertalented is a false narrative.
Now the '87 team - you right. They could play defense though and play it well, didn't really have to go Freak much cause this team could D-Up but aside from Nikita and Anthony Wilson, very little offensive firepower.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:31 pm to AlecRock23
Expert Rantards: "Underrated"
John Wooden: "Dale did an outstanding job in raising the level of LSU basketball to the status of equality to anyone in the country."
John Wooden: "Dale did an outstanding job in raising the level of LSU basketball to the status of equality to anyone in the country."
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:36 pm to LSUPHILLY72
quote:
when Dale told José to shoot
Told him not to shoot. Everything he said not to do in that time out the players immediately did once play started.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:37 pm to AlecRock23
Overrated. He does less with more.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:47 pm to TigerinKorea
quote:
Overrated.
He was overrated as a recruiter.
There was an NBA roster of recruits in Louisiana, while he was HC and he signed very few of those recruits.
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