re: Dale Brown taking shots at Will Wade

The SEC was light years more competitive in the Dale Brown era....not only players, but coaches as well.

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am sure some don't realize making post season is much easier now than in the 70's

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I agree - some, in fact many do not - that's why I applied the standard, that being if today's standard applied then I think Dale maybe makes the NIT his first year (SEC was pretty weak back then) and makes the NIT his 6th year. In none of those first 6 years of Dale, even if they had today's standard of number of teams making post-season do I think we make the NCAA tourney, 1 NIT maybe and one NIT definite.

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? that looks like 4 years?

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you should stick to making up stories about how awesome your life is on the ot.

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UK wasn't the only good team

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You in response to LSU underachieving in 1990 and 1991 with shaq, Chris Jackson, and Stanley Roberts all on the team:

“Not a super valid litmus bar considering domination of the league by kentucky”

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UK wasn't the only good team

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From 1982-1990 the SEC never finished with more than 2 teams ranked in the final AP poll.

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not a super valid litmus bar considering domination of the league by Kentucky

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Kentucky was an irrelevant team in 89-90, bro, per sanctions incurred during Sutton's tenure, somehow by the grace of God Georgia won the 1990 SEC regular season title and Alabama the 1990 SEC Tournament INEXCUSABLE. The next year, year Shaq won College POY, we win the SEC regular season and get bounced in the conference tournament by AUBURN of all teams, this Auburn squad blew us out and finished with a 13-16 record. Our best performance in the SEC Tournament those years: Shaq-less 1993, we upset #5 Vandy in the conference semis.

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Let's not discount the fact that Dale was beaten by Knight when we had Shaq

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the 92 LSU team really was a one-ring circus (Shaq) and Indiana had a better coach and better all-around team

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beaten by Knight in '87

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Very VERY controversial game and we should've won and that's not even a knock against that Indiana team 1987 Indiana was probably the best team in the country at worst could make an argument they were

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We were beaten in 86 Final 4 by a guy named Denny Crum

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One of the great Cinderella runs of all-time just ran into a great team led by a great coach and ran out of gas, no dishonor in that

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Damn. Dale doing a great job to alienate a lot of people who have supported and admired him over the years. Sad to see, since he was the only coach to ever bring consistent success to the program. He really would be well served to just not talk anymore. Which also sucks because he’s an interesting, intelligent guy.

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Agree - had a long conversation with him one time about the whole Ben McDonald and Lyle Mouton moving to baseball scenario. He was a great story teller and an open book.

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You're a fricking idiot.

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I know what the word “maybe” means, and I know a ? is indicative that the wording preceding the symbol doesn’t have a definite answer to the person that used it.

You clearly know neither of those 2 things. If knowing what those mean makes me a fricking idiot, then what are you exactly?

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And who gives a frick about the NIT anyway

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The original question was about postseason appearances. The NIT is a postseason tournament. Intelligent, rational people are capable of adjusting expectations based on the inputs of a given variable. In his first year at LSU taking over a team that won 2 conference games the year before, intelligent and rational people considered Wade getting the team to the NIT a success. The next year, with an influx of highly rated players and a year of program development, those same rational and intelligent people wouldve considered the NIT a failure.

I tried to explain that in the most simple way possible. Are there any words on there you don’t understand?

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I am not interested in checking to see if we were good enough to make the NIT back then

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I wonder why that is.

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I did it bc that was the length the coaches preceding each were here.

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Please, attempt to explain why going back to the first year of the previous coach’s tenure is in any way indicative of the state of the program when the succeeding coach took over. Or, why going back anymore more than 3 years is in any way relevant to the state of the program for the new coach, since those would be the seniors on his first year team.

Seriously, please try. I really can’t wait to see this.

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who cares you are too fricking dumb to comprehend our program when DB took over was absolutely nothing nationally...WW took over one that had a history of success over the last 40 yrs

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Applying the same standards of success that existed in 1972, only the conference champion made the Ncaa tournament. From 1932-1972, LSU finished first in the SEC 4 times. From 1978 to 2018, LSU finished first in the sec 6 times. LSU basketball was 5% more successful in the 40 years prior to will Wade than it was in the 40 years prior to dale brown. That is a negligible difference at best.

Why do you insist on going back 40 years when that is in no way reflective on the current program state? Indiana basketball is far more successful than LSU over the last 40 years. If both programs had to hire new coaches today, which one would be a more attractive opportunity?

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wtf are you talking about?

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I’m talking about when you lied about LSU maybe having 1 postseason appearance if the early 70s standards were applied to wade’s first 4 years.

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you realize back then only conf champs went right?

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Given that I clearly explained that when you lied about Wade having “maybe 1” postseason team by 70s standards, yes I most certainly do.

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2019 is WW only team guaranteed to make it to the dance in the 70's

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Correct. I’m glad youre now sure about this.

How many postseason appearances did dale brown’s teams have in his first 4 years by 70s standards?

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why?

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Because, once again, the reason this discussion started in the first place is because a dumbass said Wade hasnt was accomplished a fraction of what brown did. So a comprehensive look at their team’s success through the same amount of time they were both with the program is an easy way to judge that statement.

Which words don’t you understand in the above sentences?

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unlike you I think DB did a great job building a program from nothing

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I have offered zero commentary on how good of a job brown did or didn’t do in his first 4 years at LSU, other than to say it clearly pales in comparison to wade’s first 4 years by every possible metric of success. That doesn’t mean I think brown didnt do a good job.

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He hasn't, you dumb frick.

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He absolutely has up to this point.

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If the judgment of a coach is what he did in his first 4 years, Les Miles would be the best head football coach LSU has ever had. Until Wade takes us to multiple Elite 8's and Final Fours, and packs the PMAC with some consistency, he isn't there. You are just assuming greater things will happen in Wades career here. Dale has the skins on the wall.

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The only fair ways to judge 2 coaches with vastly different lengths of time in their jobs is either by percentages/averages, or equivalent year by year results if the programs the inherited were in similar states.

Wade has been at LSU 4 years. His results in those years are unequivocally better than brown’s first 4 years across every metric of success. His percentages and averages are as well. It’s not even a debate. Through year 4, he has a higher winning percentage, higher conference winning percentage, higher average conference finish, more conference chsmpionships, more postseason appearances, and more postseason success.

If by year 9 Wade hasn’t had multiple deep tournament runs like brown did, then he will not be as successful at that point. But though 4 years, Wade has far more skins than brown did without question.