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re: Dale Brown is A Man Amongst Men, A Living Legend

Posted on 1/29/09 at 11:26 am to
Posted by yellowtiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2004
3104 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 11:26 am to
I am a Dale Brown fan and I do not apologize for it, but in all fairness, I say that Dale took a program at the bottom, brought it to heights unknown, and left it where he started. But that roller coaster ride was wonderful until the end!
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86171 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 11:40 am to
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There is no doubt that Dale Brown is a great person and has done a lot for many people. He also did a lot for LSU basketball and put it on the map. He taught young men how to make positive decisions that would affect the rest of their lives and make them better men.

The problem, is that he made one mistake that undid much of what he accomplished. Everything he built at LSU was torn down with the LE situation. The advice he gave young men became questionable, when he failed to heed it himself.

As a person, Dale is still a great person with a great heart. But, he still has to be held accountable for what he did and the results of those actions.

And, that is why he is just another man among men and will never be a legend, living or dead.


I respect your opinion on this completely, even as I disagree with it. The ugly end is part of the totality of the man. Very good point.
Posted by miledawg
athens ga
Member since Sep 2005
2128 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 11:48 am to
Dale Brown made LSU basketball interesting for a long time. And he was a unique and interesting fellow. I always liked/admired him. But i lost some respect for him during the brou-ha-ha with Tenn in the sec tourney early 90s. He looked like a fool running on the court and taking a swing at a UT player.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36896 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:01 pm to
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But i lost some respect for him during the brou-ha-ha with Tenn in the sec tourney early 90s. He looked like a fool running on the court and taking a swing at a UT player.


That was not a high point for Dale, but he did not take a swing at any Tennessee player. He did make slight contact while on the floor,which he should have never done and helped escalate the incident.

Carlus Groves was 6' 6" 265 and was never in any danger of being hurt by Dale. Had Groves elected to not wrap up O'Neal on a almost certain monster slam while down 73-51,nothing would have ever happened.

How Tennessee's actions that night have never been criticized is beyond me. Wade Houston had a bunch of thugs on that team including Groves and a complete punk, Steve Rivers. Groves had tackled Vernell Singleton on a breakaway dunk the year before in Baton Rouge.

Dale was wrong that night,but he didn't take a swing at anyone,and Tennessee's antics were just as much a part of the ugly scene.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42356 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:04 pm to
I thought that was allen houston that started all that shite by grabbing shaq.
Posted by Dallasgrowl
Abilene, Texas
Member since Oct 2003
7088 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:06 pm to
He was much better as a motivator of questionable talent than a bench coach for a stacked team. No other example illustrates it more than in 1981 when he blew it with an amazing array of talent.
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15663 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:10 pm to
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Oh yeah, fo sho.

Signed,

Lester Earl




Oh yeah, Lester. One of the finest, upstanding citizens to ever grace the planet
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86171 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:12 pm to
Agreed.

1981 was THE great missed opportunity, not the 89-92 era.

1987 was tough too, because had we beat IU as we should have, we would have been able to play for all the marbles in The Dome.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93347 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:23 pm to
I remember an SI issue saying LSU had "the 2 best teams in the SEC" in 1986.

Rocket, I have that issue of SI with Dale on the cover sitting next to me on the shelf. That, the CJ cover and the one with Shaq.

Good times in those days.

No mention of the M&M boys from Florida or BAAAA-REEE Gohen?

I particularly liked singing Happy Birthday to Stanley.

What a great time to be an LSU basketball fan it was.

ETA FWIW I served alot of TCBY to Dale back then...
This post was edited on 1/29/09 at 12:25 pm
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
11080 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:35 pm to
Avid fan of Daddy Dale...went to his Basketball camp 3 years in a row and got goosebumps playing ball on the court of the Assembly Center. Met past and present players...listened to Dale motivate and man could he give speeches. I hate to see him bashed on here. His time was over and he needed to go, just hated to see it happen the way it did. that was LSU basketball that I miss so much. Dreamed of playing for Dale Brown, just was never good enough for college ball. Thanks to Dale for all he put into this program.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33653 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:42 pm to
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I have posted this before and will again, as long as Dale Brown needs a good word. Dale Brown is a saint to me. I followed his teams and as far as I know, he's a class act. I certainly do not know the inner workings of his tenure as coach, but this I do know. I've posted this before. Back in October when my twin brother was dying a slow and painful death, because of cancer, one of his last good and exciting moments was a couple of phone calls from Dale Brown. My twin, named Dale also, never met Coach Brown, but was a loyal and dedicated fan of LSU sports. Not only did Coach Brown call my brother while he was in the hospital on his death bed, but he sent him a couple of books and stayed in contact to the end. So for me, he's all class, he's caring, he's going beyond the call. Save the negative comments for other folks, cause they mean nothing to me. When I saw my dying brother's expression after he got off the phone with Coach Brown, the man became a Saint at that moment.


...on that note, I will keep my information to myself. While he has his skeletons (we all do), the light he has shown out casts it all.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110962 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:49 pm to
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The problem, is that he made one mistake that undid much of what he accomplished. Everything he built at LSU was torn down with the LE situation. The advice he gave young men became questionable, when he failed to heed it himself.


His tenure was headed downhill before LE.

He hung on too long, and had the benefit of a weak AD (the "basketball" AD, no less!?!?) to enable him to do so without consequence.

He needed a counterbalance at AD, to reign in some of his silliness. Interestingly, he had some his most success with Broadhead, even though they hated each other.

As I've said before, Brown was the best thing ever for LSU basketball, and possibly the worst as well.

A true contradiction of a man.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36896 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 1:08 pm to
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I thought that was allen houston that started all that shite by grabbing shaq.


Oh,no. It was Groves. Houston was one of the few players on either side who did very little in the brawl.

That was one ugly scene. I had flashbacks to what I scene as a kid when Ohio State and Minnesota had a brawl where fans came on the court in 1972.

My seats were about 15 rows behind LSU's bench and yours truly ran down behind our bench had anything like that took place and was ready to serve.
Posted by orethal
BR
Member since Feb 2007
362 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 2:04 pm to
Yeah he was great when he let everyone take the blame for the Lester Earl situation. He is scum.
Posted by LSUBEATLES
Brentwood, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2006
3175 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 2:12 pm to
Daddy Dale did more for LSU than any other person in the 20th century. He is a legend, and none of you NEGATIGERS can ever change that. Viva la DADDY DALE!!!
Posted by miledawg
athens ga
Member since Sep 2005
2128 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 2:13 pm to
I-59 i agree with all you say about UT, that night, and those players in general. They were a disgrace. As for the 'punch' i guess that's a subjective call. man they played the scuffle a hundred times on tv and i came away pretty sure that Coach had thrown a punch.
Posted by LSUBEATLES
Brentwood, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2006
3175 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 2:16 pm to
I watched that incident over and over, frame by frame. Dale never came close to throwing a punch. Groves was coming at him, and Dale raised his arms in a defensive position, as anybody would when someone is charging you.
This post was edited on 1/29/09 at 2:17 pm
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS
Member since Mar 2004
73196 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 2:17 pm to
Hey how's it going?
Posted by LSUBEATLES
Brentwood, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2006
3175 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 2:18 pm to
Well, it WAS going ok.
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS
Member since Mar 2004
73196 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 2:20 pm to
Why? Did John read this thread and kick you out from jealousy of you praising Dale?

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