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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:32 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:32 pm to Topwater Trout
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Far less talented teams have had more success against bama than LSU, why?
1. They don't get bamas best
2. we play after a bye week
3. The media is usually dissing bamas weak schedule and this year i think bama really used it as motivation to stomp us in the ground and make a statement.
Apparently Bama doesn't get our best either. And we now get the week off before Bama as well. And why is there no extra motivation for us to end this losing streak? Why don't we get to make a "statement?"
I don't have an axe to grind with O except his hiring/retaining E as OC. And for that both ought to be incessantly called on.
The experiment failed. This was his 2nd chance. He doesn't deserve another single day with the title of OC.
Everyone is fawning over Dabo. Ok, when Dabo's team gave up 70 to WVU in '12, guess what Dabo did. He replaced his DC (Kevin) with Venables.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 8:33 pm
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:34 pm to bencoleman
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I played center and noseguard in for most of my football career. When I see an offensive lineman not lay a finger on anybody I see a man that doesn't know his assignment, hasn't bothered to learn the playbook or doesn't understand his position.
Not a failure to teach or coach them though, right?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:53 pm to Nomex0619
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Name an LSU olineman that would start over one of theirs. Seriously.
This is the type of hypothetical argument that is meaningless and has no place in this conversation.
Tell me how you know none of our olineman would excel in their system?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:16 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Y’all sure put a ton of stock in some ranking provided by people that have never played or coached the game
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:32 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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This is the type of hypothetical argument that is meaningless and has no place in this conversation
You invited it when you decided to compare the offensive lines. It's definitely a fair question and the answer right now is none.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:38 pm to bencoleman
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You invited it when you decided to compare the offensive lines. It's definitely a fair question and the answer right now is none.
I guess it's fair to say that not a single coach on LSU's coaching staff is good enough be a member of Clemson's then. Fair questions and all.
I can only assume that you'd agree.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:19 pm to GumboPot
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Played together a lot longer than:
Most people on here will not understand the significance of that. They will not understand that time on the field and time playing together gives the players the experience they need to get blocking assignments right. They won't understand that if the NT lines up to the left of the C, blocking assignments can be different than if he is to the right of the C. That's just a minute example of the complexities of blocking assignments and how they can change a split second before the snap of the ball. And that bama team that played Clemson was not the same team that played against LSU. Not mentally and not physically, only the same by name. If the team that played LSU had played Clemson, Saban would have his 7th NC.
Last season LSU had 3 true freshmen play significant minutes on the Oline. This season there were 3 first year players playing significant minutes on the Oline. With the majority of their Oline staters coming back next season, LSU should have a much improved Oline from jump.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:29 pm to Tigers eyes
The Oline needs time to work together. That's understood in football. LSU'S offensive line was a mess of younger players with one junior and one senior. Clemson's was mostly upperclassmen. That's where the difference was. Not to mention that LSU has one guy starting listed as a tackle and by his play he'd probably be better suited to be a guard. Charles I add a converted guard. Les was notorious for recruiting guards and making tackles out of them.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:30 pm to WaWaWeeWa
That's not how an OL works. So you saying that as long as we have 4* and 3* pplayers like Clemson does that we are now making excuses.
So basically start our highest rated guys from this years recruiting class and boom we are now good on the OL?
You people are some of the dumbest SOBs on the planet. It's the same argument I heard the other day that we have more talent which is complete bullshite. We don't have the depth that they have had on the OL, WR, QB, DL and TE for the last 5 years. That's matters a lot.
Give Orgeron his 5 years to recruits his players and we'll be where Clemson is or y'all can just keep bitvhing and moaning like girls everyday about the same ole things. I'll even venture to say that we'll be more talented then Clemson is with 5 years if 2019 makes 2 full years.
This doesn't happen over night people. It didn't for Bama or Clemson. It took both programs at least 5 years before they were consistently doing what they are now. LSU is still winning, it's not like we sucked this year like everyone was orgiginally saying this time and all offseason last year.
If you don't see the obvious talent difference between 4 years ago and now after only 2 years then idk what to tell you. Not only is there a difference in talent and depth but we also have lots of momentum at positions that matter most. QB/OL/DL/LB and I would include WR/DB/K to that list as well. The quality of talent we are consistently pulling in will bring us what we have been waiting for.
So basically start our highest rated guys from this years recruiting class and boom we are now good on the OL?
You people are some of the dumbest SOBs on the planet. It's the same argument I heard the other day that we have more talent which is complete bullshite. We don't have the depth that they have had on the OL, WR, QB, DL and TE for the last 5 years. That's matters a lot.
Give Orgeron his 5 years to recruits his players and we'll be where Clemson is or y'all can just keep bitvhing and moaning like girls everyday about the same ole things. I'll even venture to say that we'll be more talented then Clemson is with 5 years if 2019 makes 2 full years.
This doesn't happen over night people. It didn't for Bama or Clemson. It took both programs at least 5 years before they were consistently doing what they are now. LSU is still winning, it's not like we sucked this year like everyone was orgiginally saying this time and all offseason last year.
If you don't see the obvious talent difference between 4 years ago and now after only 2 years then idk what to tell you. Not only is there a difference in talent and depth but we also have lots of momentum at positions that matter most. QB/OL/DL/LB and I would include WR/DB/K to that list as well. The quality of talent we are consistently pulling in will bring us what we have been waiting for.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:31 pm to Tigers eyes
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Most people on here will not understand the significance of that. They will not understand that time on the field and time playing together gives the players the experience they need to get blocking assignments right. They won't understand that if the NT lines up to the left of the C, blocking assignments can be different than if he is to the right of the C. That's just a minute example of the complexities of blocking assignments and how they can change a split second before the snap of the ball. And that bama team that played Clemson was not the same team that played against LSU. Not mentally and not physically, only the same by name. If the team that played LSU had played Clemson, Saban would have his 7th NC.
Last season LSU had 3 true freshmen play significant minutes on the Oline. This season there were 3 first year players playing significant minutes on the Oline. With the majority of their Oline starters coming back next season, LSU should have a much improved Oline from jump.
The Bama team that played most of the first half looked like the same team that played us. We gave up 16. Clemson gave up 16. the difference was that Clemson's offense introduced a completely different ebb-n-flow to the game. And our offense scored zErO as in nOnE. And this was the worst Bama D in a decade.
But beyond Clemson, other teams with lesser OLs, and lesser talent on offense still have success vs Bama. Take OM in '15. They had one OL that would likely have seen the field for us this year (Tunsil) and he was suspended for the Bama game. They scored 43 on Bama.
Our offense and E as OC are indefensible.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:32 pm to tigerfoot
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Y’all sure put a ton of stock in some ranking provided by people that have never played or coached the game
A lot of the people involved in NFL drafts have played the game. They too suggest that talent ain't the problem at LSU.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:39 pm to BayouBengal99
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We don't have the depth that they have had on the OL, WR, QB, DL and TE for the last 5 years. That's matters a lot.
Some of that's debatable but do you really think that if the Clemson staff was given our players they couldn't score on this Bama defense?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:48 pm to BayouBengal99
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This doesn't happen over night people. It didn't for Bama or Clemson. It took both programs at least 5 years before they were consistently doing what they are now.
I'm not sure what you're referring to by "consistently doing what they are now" but Saban began at Bama in '07.
They won the SECW in '08 and won it all in '09. They were doing it by Saban year 3. By year 6, he won his 3rd natty there.
And maybe if we want to emulate Dabo, then emulate Dabo. Fire the inept coordinator like he did after WVU embarrassed them in the Orange Bowl.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 12:26 am to AlwysATgr
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Some of that's debatable but do you really think that if the Clemson staff was given our players they couldn't score on this Bama defense
I don't believe that any of LSU'S offensive line would start for Clemson.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:40 am to BayouBengal99
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This doesn't happen over night people. It didn't for Bama or Clemson. It took both programs at least 5 years before they were consistently doing what they are now. LSU is still winning, it's not like we sucked this year like everyone was orgiginally saying this time and all offseason last year
Clemson hadnt finished top 20 since the turn of the century when Dabo was hired.
Bama was no where near as talented as lsu was when O took over.
The goal posts moving isnt shocking.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 6:27 am to bencoleman
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I don't believe that any of LSU'S offensive line would start for Clemson.
That wasn’t responsive to the question.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:03 am to bencoleman
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It's definitely a fair question and the answer right now is none.
It’s not a fair question because any answer is pure speculation.
explain how Giles went from all-American numbers at Tech to being a liability at LSU? You can’t just take someone’s current level of play in a particular system, especially o line performance as a whole, and determine how they would perform in another system.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 7:08 am
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:04 am to WaWaWeeWa
Every year the best teams compete for the top recruits and we get as many or more of those top recruits as clemson does.
It’s pretty simple. Y’all are just in denial.
It’s pretty simple. Y’all are just in denial.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:06 am to RuLSU
Clemson O-Line
National Champions
LSU O-Line
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National Champions
LSU O-Line
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:10 am to WaWaWeeWa
Our offensive line performance has been below average to far below average for several years. What is your point? Do you live in an alternate reality.
For several,years Miles did not recruit offensive tackles. So we might very well have a 4 star recruit playing the left tackle or right tackle position. But they were not an4 star as a tackle.
When Oregon took over the program we had 9 offensive lineman on scholarship. The average is 16. At this point the numbers have been rebuilt.
For several,years Miles did not recruit offensive tackles. So we might very well have a 4 star recruit playing the left tackle or right tackle position. But they were not an4 star as a tackle.
When Oregon took over the program we had 9 offensive lineman on scholarship. The average is 16. At this point the numbers have been rebuilt.
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