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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
Posted on 1/8/19 at 1:56 pm to cj2002
Posted on 1/8/19 at 1:56 pm to cj2002
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All that line talent and the greatest coach in LSU history in his last 2 seasons had losses to Ole Miss, Arkansas, Auburn, Miss St, Alabama. Tell me it's not So. That's only in the conference.
Cool.
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 2:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What makes you think it's going to be exactly the same next year?
Ohhh, I get it...2016 didn't count! But all those "records" count.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:01 pm to icoczar
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clemson's wrs are far superior
Uhhhhh no. We recruit multiple 5 Star WRs. We may not do anything with them but who is far superior? Tee Higgins is a 5 Star, they have a couple 4 stars, and an unrecruited hunter renfrow
And spare me how good they looked last night. I’ll say it again, Giles looked like an all American before he came to LSU.
You. Are. Wrong.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:03 pm to wheelz007
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IT's way more than just the star rating of the players on their OLine. Clemson has an ELITE level passing attack. They can throw short, medium and long and all over the field.
I agree with most of what you said.
My whole point is that the lack of talent argument is a myth
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:15 pm to Rickdaddy4188
NICK SABAN: Well, Trevor Lawrence is a special talent. I saw him when he was a sophomore, and he was a special player as a sophomore in high school. And he's playing in a good system, in a good scheme.
What's the old quote? He can take his and beat yours, then turn around and take yours and beat his.
I don't think any one disagrees that LSU needs to get better at evaluating talent and recruiting. But lets not pretend this is ULM. LSU is still ranked in the top 10 of roster talent.
Great coaching/development/scheme/play calling will hide any talent or personnel deficiencies and what many posters who blame talent are missing. It starts and ends with coaching!
What's the old quote? He can take his and beat yours, then turn around and take yours and beat his.
I don't think any one disagrees that LSU needs to get better at evaluating talent and recruiting. But lets not pretend this is ULM. LSU is still ranked in the top 10 of roster talent.
Great coaching/development/scheme/play calling will hide any talent or personnel deficiencies and what many posters who blame talent are missing. It starts and ends with coaching!
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:43 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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WaWaWeeWa
Hate to break this to you but stars mean NOTHING...........
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:54 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Stars are subjective and have nothing to do with actual talent...
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:41 am to MLU
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Stars are subjective and have nothing to do with actual talent...
I agree stars are subjective but star rankings are surprisingly accurate.
Recruiting sites scout about 3500 kids a year. Out of those 3500, they pick about 30 5 star recruits and 53%of those recruits will make the nfl.
Picking 30 out of 3500 and being right 53% of the time is pretty amazing.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:57 am to WaWaWeeWa
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He’s not that much better
He's the highest rated QB recruit in history. He would have be a first round choice out of high school. He will be an NFL starter from day one, and he has a better arm as true freshman than everyone on earth but about 5 people in the NFL.
"not that much better"
Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:05 am to WaWaWeeWa
Equal talent but experience playing together matters most. They have a solid unit unlike us shuffling players around
Posted on 1/9/19 at 3:39 am to WaWaWeeWa
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InB4 you say their o-line is older.
Our entire oline is coming back next year (Himes instead of Brum). They will be much better because they are OLDER. This matters greatly.
I agree with you that it’s the coach’s job to make sure he has experienced guys, but it still matters.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 3:47 am to bencoleman
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Deculus is listed as a tackle but he would probably do better at guard. The proof is in the results. Bamas defensive line pushed LSU'S lineman off the ball into the backfield.
You can’t seem to make up your mind what LSU’s line problem is. Is it that we have guards playing tackle, or that our guys are overpowered? I’m going with a lack of experienced talent. I think we have some talented young players. They just need to develop. They got thrown in the action too soon, because of lame recruiting in previous years.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:09 am to Spotswoode
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You can’t seem to make up your mind what LSU’s line problem is. Is it that we have guards playing tackle, or that our guys are overpowered? I’m going with a lack of experienced talent. I think we have some talented young players. They just need to develop. They got thrown in the action too soon, because of lame recruiting in previous years
I agree with all of the above.
Charles is actually a guard playing tackle. Deculus in my opinion is better suited to be a guard. I think Dare Rosenthal and Wire are actually tackles and both will make an impact this season.
I'm not blaming anybody or anything. I'm just stating what I see to be the case and where I think LSU needs to improve.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:11 am to GumboPot
Agreed. Experience and continuity and no musical chairs with coaching at OL position are the factors.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:12 am to bencoleman
You are correct. Those without an agenda can see it too:).
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:13 am to Spotswoode
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This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 7:14 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:13 am to MLU
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Stars are subjective and have nothing to do with actual talent...
what? The percentage of 5 stars that make it to the NFL is significantly higher than the percentage of 3 stars
How could it have nothing to do with talent?
Y’all are making yourselves look silly
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:16 am to emanresu
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He's the highest rated QB recruit in history. He would have be a first round choice out of high school. He will be an NFL starter from day one, and he has a better arm as true freshman than everyone on earth but about 5 people in the NFL
A true freshman Trevor Lawrence is not 44 points better than a junior Joe Burrow. Sorry, he’s just not.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 4:52 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Not really. That's barely better than guessing outright. 53% is a shot in the dark and nothing to brag about. That's barely better than flipping a coin.
Picking 30 out of 3500 and being right 53% of the time is pretty amazing.
No successful college head coach uses star rankings to make any kind of consideration in a player's level of talent. No NFL coaching staff uses mock drafts, NFL.com profiles, etc. to determine players they will draft. This is all just noise to sell **** to fans who don't have access to what tools scouts and coaches use. They sell it to make you feel like you have some secret, behind the scenes, insider access. All you have access to is information everyone will have in a couple weeks, months when people hit the field and start playing games.
The number of stars kids get are largely contingent on the number of offers they receive from which schools. The number of offers they receive from certain schools depends on how much money they fork out to attend camps. That is an awful lot of nothing to do with talent. Guys like Dak Prescott, Leveon Bell, Mike Evans, Aaron Rogers, Trent Williams, Travis Frederick, Travis Kelce, Marcus Peters, Luke Kuechley, Richard Sherman, Vonn Miller, Aaron Donald, etc all outstanding Pro Players who were less than 4 stars in recruiting services. I bet if I really dug into it I could fund dozens more.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 5:45 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Because Mofit is not up to date with the latest trends.
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