re: Christina Pike execution isn't the first failed execution in TN this year

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so your belief in the rights of women to make "private and personal medical decisions" is tied to whether or not fathers are paying child support?

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No, that is not what he is saying at all. I understood it clearly, do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

He said that if the women is not given a choice, then the father of the baby should be held financially responsible. I think that is actually the case but maybe the enforcement is too lenient at times.

It is curious though, that the anti-abortion people are usually not as supportive to the child once it is born, which calls into question the person's sincerity about their professed interest in the child.

I think in most cases it is more about trying to stay in line with the dogmas of their religion. Don't want to do anything to hurt their chances at immortality. Meaning it's actually just for selfish motivations.

Imagine the ER that got this woman. Poorly infused with 2 doses of enough meds to kill her, now keep her alive? Lol

To get the potassium down she was probably loaded with Kaexylate. It lowers potassium but makes you shite everywhere. I’m sure she’s probably on a ventilator now so she is shitting everywhere. In addition to all the IV meds needed to move the potassium. Also probably had to dialyze her.

What a clusterfrick.

Wouldn’t they give a paralytic as well? Something ending in “onium”? That should still work even subcutaneous? No?

If you’re looking for a capital conviction less than 20 years old that has been vacated due to DNA evidence it’s going to be rare because it takes 20-30 years to get the justice system to admit they’ve made a mistake. If you’re looking for a case where exculpatory evidence was withheld by the prosecution and the defense was too dumb to ask for it OR the prosecution simply decided to break the law they are too numerous to list. This one took
me about 90 seconds…George Rhodes.


For a capital conviction go with Alvarez in Texas.

That one took about 20 seconds to find.

It’s almost impossible to prove prosecutorial misconduct because the state ensures it’s almost impossible to prove they’re made a mistake. There is NO penalty for it when it is proven, 20-30 years after the fact it 1 day, because the prosecutors and the state both have immunity for violating the law and even civil rights unless the damaged party has a pile of cash and time. It happens everyday in the US. If it happens once every 100 years it is too often.

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No, that is not what he is saying at all. I understood it clearly, do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

He said that if the women is not given a choice, then the father of the baby should be held financially responsible. I think that is actually the case but maybe the enforcement is too lenient at times.

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that actually is exactly what he is saying. he said that he would be ok with outlawing abortion as long as the father is held financially responsible. i think you are the one struggling with reading comprehension.

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I think in most cases it is more about trying to stay in line with the dogmas of their religion

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yes, the dogma of "dont commit murder". it's pretty universal.

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This is one of those people who get hard as Chinese algebra when fantasizing about executions. They equate a medical procedure that is a decision made by an individual and their medical professionals with the state executing people when there is no doubt that the state has executed the wrong person. Most likely also claims to be a Christian and believe in a god of some sort. And there are MILLIONS of them…

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Nice ad hominem attack, but I'll play along.

The fetus is a human being; willful termination of a human life constitutes MURDER. No, rape does not give the woman the right to murder; the same goes for Christa Pike.


The Declaration of Independence in part states: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. NOTE the word LIFE. Abortion goes diametrically against the Declaration of Independence.

I am pro-death penalty and anti-abortion - That is, punishing the GUILTY and protecting the INNOCENT

You are anti-death penalty, but pro-abortion - that is, punishing the INNOCENT and protecting the GUILTY.

Yes, I believe in Jesus, but what does that have to do with the fact that I do not agree with the termination of a human being (abortion), and that I believe the death penalty is appropriate? No, I am not "hard as Chinese Algebra" when it comes to executions, but I am firmly in favor of holding criminals accountable and not making excuses for them.

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I am firmly in favor of holding criminals accountable and not making excuses for them.

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I agree completely. Hold criminals responsible and don’t make excuses for them. When the prosecution, from the initial police investigator to the da, pa, judge and defense attorneys commit crimes they absolutely should be held accountable. When the system fails to protect children and some of those children grow up to commit heinous crimes, which is what happened in this case, with the adult who committed the heinous crime being just barely an adult while the other 2 involved were a few months younger and not sentenced to death, the criminals who failed society, the victim, and the person convicted, should be held accountable as well. They never are and as a society we are fine with that. That’s a sickness.

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yes, the dogma of "dont commit murder". it's pretty universal.

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Obviously there is a dispute in this situation over the definition of murder and it's not just between the religious and the non religious. There is differences in opinion among the various denominations within religion.

Some religions think it is murder to wear a condom. Some religions say its murder to take birth control pills. Some religions are ok with birth control pills but don't think you should be able to take a newer form of birth control which is the morning after pill.

Religion can't get it's story straight on anything and thus has no place in forming the laws of a civilized society.

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Obviously there is a dispute in this situation over the definition of murder and it's not just between the religious and the non religious. There is differences in opinion among the various denominations within religion.

Some religions think it is murder to wear a condom. Some religions say its murder to take birth control pills. Some religions are ok with birth control pills but don't think you should be able to take a newer form of birth control which is the morning after pill.

Religion can't get it's story straight on anything and thus has no place in forming the laws of a civilized society.

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sounds a lot like you just have a problem with religion, and you are jsut shoehorning that anger into this argument.

the overwhelming majority of pro-life people simply believe that human life begins at conception, and that ending a pregnancy at any time after that is murder. it has very little to do with specific religions. we view killing an unborn child the same as killing a child that is three months old.

the anger with which the pro-abortion crowd responds to that simple belief is truly remarkable.

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No death penalty? How about no conviction. If guilt is debatable that is reasonable doubt.

And this is why I also have become anti-death penalty. Look at our jurors these days, most of them are dumb as a box of rocks.

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this.

the standard of proof that it would take for me to support the death penalty is higher than the government and judicial system could ever meet. it's definitely higher than "beyond reasonable doubt"