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re: Christina Pike execution isn't the first failed execution in TN this year
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:32 am to SingleMalt1973
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:32 am to SingleMalt1973
Hanging is pretty reliable, and you can still use the rope.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:32 am to AwgustaDawg
I hear you, but NO ONE is arguing this woman's guilt. She did it. She bragged to people that she did it. She kept a piece of the victim's skull as a souvenir.
The state got this one correct. Proceed with the penalty.
The state got this one correct. Proceed with the penalty.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:33 am to MontanaMax
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Pike and someone else tortured Slemmer for over 30 minutes, slashing her with boxcutters and carving a pentagram into her chest. Pike ultimately killed Slemmer by crushing her skull w a large piece of asphalt. Pike also took a piece of Slemmer's skull as a souvenir, which she later showed to classmates.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:34 am to AwgustaDawg
you dont find it slightly incongruous that you're seething with anger and vitriol against conservatives, accusing them of being sexually excited about supporting what they feel is justice served against violent criminals, while you're casually advocating for the execution of babies in the womb?
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:35 am to SingleMalt1973
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Firing Squads. ever had these problems.
Except in College Station. They kept forming a circle.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:37 am to Bestbank Tiger
I don’t know what is worse. Tennessee’s executioners or Tennessee’s offensive line.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:52 am to AwgustaDawg
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There have been 8000+ people sentenced to death since it was reinstated in the early 70s. About 2000 have been executed. 209 have been exonerated. Not released on technicalities or retried but NOT guilty of the crime they were convicted of. 2.5% of the people the state said committed a crime and sentenced to death
This is a dated argument. This is a 20th century argument which is no longer valid.
It's scientific breakthroughs like DNA evidence and the explosion of camera systems and other technologies that were able to give us the evidence that 2% of convictions in the prior century were in error, replacing faulty evidence like witnesses trying to identify strangers through eye witness testimony.
There are definitely a large percentage of murder cases where the perpetrator is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, really beyond any doubt, and those are the ones that should be eligible for the death penalty.
If you want to be against the death penalty, be against it because of the insanely unfair and unreasonable way it is applied.
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 9:53 am
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:55 am to Gee Grenouille
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Insert wtf GIF
Also, how was the secks?
I bet her room smelled like Pine Sol.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:00 am to beauchristopher
Never once said I was against/for the death penalty. Nor did I say she shouldn’t face consequences for her horrendous actions.
What I did imply was that getting the metaphorical hard-on over the idea of an execution and then presenting/thinking of ways to make it more efficient is quite insane for a bunch of folks that I’m sure would call themselves Christians by Sunday.
What I did imply was that getting the metaphorical hard-on over the idea of an execution and then presenting/thinking of ways to make it more efficient is quite insane for a bunch of folks that I’m sure would call themselves Christians by Sunday.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:00 am to mtntiger
The state has claimed to have gotten it right 209 times out of 8000 when the state was simply wrong and was demonstrably wrong. No one is arguing whether she is guilty or not mainly because the state has convicted her just like they did 209 times out of 8000. I know nothing about this case at all, if she committed the crime she was convicted of in the courtroom in front of everyone involved in her conviction, from the judge to the janitor, I do not trust them to get it correct, sorry, it’s far too important a decision for the same people who manage the DMV to make. The impact to society in them getting it wrong, and they do far too often, is far greater than what this animal did. What this animal did impacts the victim, the family and the community. The state executing the wrong person impacts the same people directly and makes it all to obvious to all but the anti social types among us that the state simply can’t be trusted. If she is as guilty as you say, and I am not doubting it, life in prison is plenty of punishment to prevent the state from possibly executing the wrong person OR executing the right person but cutting corners to do so. There is no crime heinous enough to justify the states actions in MOST convictions….the things that prosecutors and judges do, not to mention the police, are infinitely more heinous because they commit their atrocities in our name and with the support of the state. Clean that up and I for one would reconsider. Continue to allow those abuses and atrocities and I will never support the state executing anyone.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:03 am to SingleMalt1973
A guillotine could be shared among states, and the blood harvested for blood meal.
Think of the public cheering when Old Slicer is driven through their city.
Think of the public cheering when Old Slicer is driven through their city.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:14 am to AwgustaDawg
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the judge to the janitor, I do not trust them to get it correct, sorry, it’s far too important a decision for the same people who manage the DMV to make.
That's just a silly statement. It's not the same people. Government employees are not all the same homogenous group of people with the same education, the same training, and the same intelligence level just because they work in the government.
We're to the point scientifically, that the only way you can convict the wrong person of murder when you have evidence such as fingerprint, DNA, tire tread, shoe tread, phone records, text records, blood splatter analysis, gun analysis, bullet matching, bullet trajectory analysis, gun powder residue analysis, eye witness testimony, phone location tracking, vehicle location tracking, home camera video, public building video, street video, etc etc.
the only way a person can be wrongly convicted beyond a reasonable doubt would be some type of intentional malfeasance on the part of law enforcement which would have to include other departments such as the prosecutors office, judge, and third party auditors.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:17 am to Sam Quint
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while you're casually advocating for the execution of babies in the womb?
I doing no such thing. I am advocating for individuals to be allowed to make private and personal medical decisions aided by advice from medical professionals without the state interfering. I don’t like the idea of abortion, I like the idea of babies and human beings. What I like is not a matter of concern to anyone but me. I will never seek an abortion because I am a man.
But here is a swap I’m willing to make. It is EASY to prover who fathered a child today. If we agree to make abortion illegal in all but extreme cases like the life of the mother, incest and rape, we should require that the father support that child in total until that child is a contributor to society….or until the father dies of old age. If the father earns enough money they can pay for every penny. If they don’t they can go to a debtors prison and dig ditches and whatever they are capable of until the child is a contributor OR the father dies, whichever comes first. Or we can allow women and their doctors to make medical decisions that are none of anyone’s business other than them.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:18 am to MontanaMax
Several people, even those against the death penalty, have said the guillotine is more humane than lethal injection.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:19 am to Ben Rumson
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the only way a person can be wrongly convicted beyond a reasonable doubt would be some type of intentional malfeasance on the part of law enforcement which would have to include other departments such as the prosecutors office, judge, and third party auditors.
It happens all the time my friend. They have exculpatory evidence of the sort you list and simply do not acknowledge it. Happens all the time.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:20 am to biglego
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I always hear of how the death penalty is no deterrent and yet everyone on death row fights tooth and nail to stay alive. Life without parole has proven to be no deterrent. And don’t think for a minute that leftists everywhere don’t want automatic parole eligibility for absolutely everyone.
I see the DP and punishment more than a deterrent. Perhaps if executions didn't take 20-30 year to be carried out it would be more impactful. I'll settle for punishment.
Maybe if more Singapore style justice suck as getting your arse flogged in public for minor crimes occur the bigger offense don't occur as much...LOL
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:24 am to Ben Rumson
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If you want to be against the death penalty, be against it because of the insanely unfair and unreasonable way it is applied.
This is the other reason it should be abolished.
This case is a great example. This woman was 18 at the time. Her murdering friends who were also convicted were 17. They were not tried for capital murder for the same crime because they were A few months younger.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:36 am to mtntiger
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I hear you, but NO ONE is arguing this woman's guilt. She did it. She bragged to people that she did it. She kept a piece of the victim's skull as a souvenir. The state got this one correct. Proceed with the penalty.
So intentionally do not read or try to know anything about why the state is executing someone because the story is ALWAYS the same and it’s an indictment of us as a nation and a society that I know full well we are proud of because we do nothing to change it.
This woman was 18 at the time she killed this woman. She had been raped and sodomized from the day she was born and the state was well aware and did NOTHING to prevent it or make her life bearable. Nothing. Failed at every opportunity and they were ample. As they always are. When she committed this heinous act the state saw a way to remove her and their culpability….and ours as a society… from the collective conscious. And that’s what it’s ALWAYS about. No she should not be executed but the fricking DA who decided not to prosecute the men who were orally raping her at 6 months of age? Yes, they should be….or they should at least be in prison with her. Instead their brethren see fit to cover up their professions sins….under the guise of justice. I know most of you deplore the idea of the EPA telling companies that they can’t cause rivers to catch on fire but I never cease to be appalled at the thought of you being fine with the states collusion with child abusers and child molestors and punishing the child when the chile inevitably commits some heinous crime. Y’all are sick and you’re enabling a sick and twisted society.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:45 am to AwgustaDawg
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t happens all the time my friend. They have exculpatory evidence of the sort you list and simply do not acknowledge it. Happens all the time.
Ok, give me one. I think you are conflating it with wrongful convictions from the 20th century.
It needs to be a wrongful conviction that happened since the advent of DNA analysis, so something in the last 20 years.
The identification of wrongful convictions from the 20th century are for the most part due to DNA technology.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:45 am to AwgustaDawg
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But here is a swap I’m willing to make. It is EASY to prover who fathered a child today. If we agree to make abortion illegal in all but extreme cases like the life of the mother, incest and rape, we should require that the father support that child in total until that child is a contributor to society….or until the father dies of old age. If the father earns enough money they can pay for every penny. If they don’t they can go to a debtors prison and dig ditches and whatever they are capable of until the child is a contributor OR the father dies, whichever comes first.
so your belief in the rights of women to make "private and personal medical decisions" is tied to whether or not fathers are paying child support?
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Or we can allow women and their doctors to make medical decisions that are none of anyone’s business other than them.
i would submit that it is also the business of the human being murdered, but i'm sure you'll tell me something about a clump of cells or something. so since we will not be abe to even reach a common frame by which to debate, there isnt much point
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