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re: Chances Jobert or Travinski return next year?
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:33 am to ell_13
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:33 am to ell_13
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Jobert comes back. He doesn’t have an MLB future. Trav is gone. His stock will never be higher and his swing plays.
This statement is the exact opposite of what a scout told us during the Bama series.
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Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:33 am to Zachary
I think it would be a mistake for Jobert to leave. He can develop more consistency next year and get a better draft position.
Travinski has to go imo. I don’t think he’s going to improve his draft stock much after the year he has had.
Travinski has to go imo. I don’t think he’s going to improve his draft stock much after the year he has had.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:33 am to dukeg7213
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False. He’s not an MLB catcher nor has a remote chance of catching in the MLB. His stock would be higher coming back swinging like he does and learning how to play 1B.
He can learn 1B and DH in the minors. Teams aren’t going to be afraid to take him based on his bat just because they haven’t seen him at first.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:35 am to Zachary
Maybe Jay can convince Travinski to come back for a season to learn 1B, if thats where he'd have best chance at MLB. Similar to Jacob Berry at 3B.
i also think NIL deals will keep some of these late draft picks in college another year.
i also think NIL deals will keep some of these late draft picks in college another year.
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 8:37 am
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:41 am to Lester Earl
So did Devin White
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:56 am to Gings5
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So did Devin White
So he will get draft 1.5, got it
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:59 am to CatfishJohn
I think i saw him foul off one pitch and if course the rocket at the pitcher. Hopefully he gets on track in Omaha.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 9:04 am to ell_13
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I can see Jobert wanting to leave. Just don’t see a place for him anywhere.
I do. Right field
Posted on 6/12/23 at 9:12 am to IM_4_LSU
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Austin Nola grinded it out for years before making it to the Majors.
Yeah, Nola was a fifth-round draft pick who got a signing bonus, 75K when he signed on.
If Jobert is picked in the first 5 rounds, I would see him moving on. If I am not mistaken, he was not drafted last season and I am pretty sure he was draft eligible.
But Minor league players don't make much money and it all boils down to what he thinks he wants going forward. If he goes much lower than 5th round, I could see him coming back if he wants to try to bump up his value. I could also see him moving on.
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He believes in himself
He is a high performing athlete, so I have no doubt about that.
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so he is not thinking his ceiling is the minors.
Unless you personally know Jobert, you have no idea about that. You may know him, I do not know.
I do not know Jobert. I do know a player who had to make this sort of decision a few years ago. A 7th round pick sent him back to college and a subsequent medical issue (non-sports related) spelled the end of his playing career, at least at the level it was previously. He's now a position coach. His grandfather was my next-door neighbor, he told me he made his decision based on the pay/cost of playing in the minor where you often had to pay your own costs for meals and lodging. Not sure what, if any of that, was addressed in the latest CBA that included minor league players or which players it covers. But, as I said, if Jobert has aspirations for a family, that may affect whatever decisions he makes.
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It's really not that hard to understand.
Few things in life are as simple or as complicated as people on an internet message board try to make them out.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 9:12 am to ell_13
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Trav is gone. His stock will never be higher and his swing plays.
You keep stating this as an absolute, with no evidence. You don't know what scouts think of him long term. Based on numbers alone, wouldn't you have thought Blake Dean would have been a 1st rounder after his junior season? Well, they don't take guys off of just numbers, as we know, and Blake ends up coming back, and then barely gave pro ball a chance after being drafted in the 9th round, or whatever it was, because he didn't like pro ball.
Travinski could easily fall into that same category. More raw power than Blake, but also less of a track record as a pure hitter, and similarly limited defensively. He'll get drafted, but maybe not high enough to off-set his love for LSU, especially with NIL around. I'm not necessarily expecting him back, but I'm not going to write him off for next season, based on very little to go on.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 10:34 am to Metaloctopus
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Based on numbers alone, wouldn't you have thought Blake Dean would have been a 1st rounder after his junior season?
Given he had been exclusively a DH, no, he was never expected to be a 1st round pick. And honestly, his numbers in 2009 (his junior year) weren't off the charts good. He hit .328 with 17 home runs and 71 RBIs. He was better as a sophomore TBH
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 10:37 am
Posted on 6/12/23 at 10:37 am to ell_13
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I can see Jobert wanting to leave. Just don’t see a place for him anywhere.
is this a joke because people says that all last offseason?
Posted on 6/12/23 at 10:42 am to Naptime
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So are you calling Johnson a liar? Or just a clueless idiot?
If Neal plays again this season, you should be banned for two years.
You can take a two year break now
What the hell are you talking about? Did you respond to the wrong person or are you still drunk from last night?
Posted on 6/12/23 at 10:44 am to mdomingue
Isn’t that a quote from you??
Posted on 6/12/23 at 10:57 am to lsufball19
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Given he had been exclusively a DH, no, he was never expected to be a 1st round pick. And honestly, his numbers in 2009 (his junior year) weren't off the charts good. He hit .328 with 17 home runs and 71 RBIs. He was better as a sophomore TBH
... Could you have read what I actually said, in context, instead of arguing against a straw man? I didn't say he was "expected" to be a first rounder. I said "based on numbers alone" would you have "thought" he would be a first rounder? Meaning, if we just look at numbers and make assumptions about a player's draft stock based on that, you would be hard pressed to find many guys with a better resume. But we know that's not how it works, don't we?
And your comment that he was better as a sophomore has nothing to do with anything. I said after his junior year, because that is when he became draft eligible. His career to that point absolutely stacked up offensively with some of the top guys in the draft. His 50 walks to 37 strikeouts as a junior also spoke to his professional approach, to go along with his power numbers. But he didn't go high, because teams didn't like his lack of athleticism, and obviously thought they saw some holes in his swing that could be exploited at the next level.
And that's my point about Travinski. He's only playing catcher right now, because there's no other way to get him in the lineup without having to take another important bat out of the lineup. With Blake, we could have stuck him at first base his whole career, but the way the team was constructed around him, they didn't have to do that, so they kept him at DH until his senior year, when he made the request to play in the field as a condition for his return. And we don't know that scouts don't have similar concerns about holes in Travinski's swing. So just because a guy is putting up big numbers, doesn't mean that their stock is as high as some might think, and that's what I'm saying. I selfishly hope he comes back, but I'll pull for him to have tons of success at the next level if he goes pro. I just don't think that a month and a half of production is quite enough evidence to assume he's going to be gone after this year.
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/12/23 at 11:07 am to Metaloctopus
They both need to come back for different reasons.
Jobert needs to work on contact. When's he's on, he's dangerous, but for a big bat, he doesn't have all that many XBH. When he's off, he's almost always an auto-out (many times not even touching the ball). It's hard to believe that his average is where its at after seeing almost all of his AB's this year.
Travinksi needs to come back and prove that he's not on a 6-8 week heater. The power will always be there, but he needs to show the same level of contact, and also needs a lot of work defensively if he wants to stay behind the plate.
Jobert needs to work on contact. When's he's on, he's dangerous, but for a big bat, he doesn't have all that many XBH. When he's off, he's almost always an auto-out (many times not even touching the ball). It's hard to believe that his average is where its at after seeing almost all of his AB's this year.
Travinksi needs to come back and prove that he's not on a 6-8 week heater. The power will always be there, but he needs to show the same level of contact, and also needs a lot of work defensively if he wants to stay behind the plate.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 11:08 am to Naptime
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Isn’t that a quote from you??
It is, I forgot about that. But what does that have to do with Jobert or Travinsky coming back?
And I didn't bet anything, just called Mot out for making a statement that was counter to what CJJ said less than two weeks earlier.
Here is the thread.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=107997966&s=2&p=107994238#107997966
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Neal is out for the season and they knew it weeks ago.
So are you calling Johnson a liar? Or just a clueless idiot?
If Neal plays again this season, you should be banned for two years.
A link to an article where Jay discusses injuries.
https://www.nola.com/sports/lsu/lsu-coach-jay-johnson-provided-an-update-on-lsus-rash-of-injuries/article_0eb2e9a0-e076-11ed-aa1c-23c61f8c2ed3.html
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Freshman catcher Brady Neal, who has started 26 of LSU’s 36 games, has not played since April 7 against South Carolina because of a back injury.
“I don’t think he’ll be able to play (this weekend), would be my guess,” Johnson said. “I saw him running today, so that’s a good step forward. It’s not something we need to go backwards with and that’s the nature with a few of these injuries is the time to return is super important.”
Also, the season isn't over yet, though I doubt there will be any tweaking of the lineup so I don't expect Neal in again at this point.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 11:10 am to Metaloctopus
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I said "based on numbers alone" would you have "thought" he would be a first rounder?
Based on his numbers alone, no you wouldn't think he would have been a first rounder. Happy now?
Posted on 6/12/23 at 11:14 am to lsufball19
I'm not sure if the NCAA has made a ruling, but if they have extra roster spots for COVID seniors, I believe both Travinski and Jobert would fall into that category.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 11:24 am to lsufball19
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Based on his numbers alone, no you wouldn't think he would have been a first rounder. Happy now?
Then I don't think you follow the draft very closely. Lots of guys have gone in the first without numbers that even came close to Dean. It's all about projectability.
You didn't think he'd go in the first, for the same reason as everyone else: Because no one ever told us he was a high draft prospect. It's easy to say that when you already know the answer. Just looking at his numbers over his sophomore and junior seasons, and knowing it was against the best competition in college baseball, most people would say "that's a first rounder, no worse than second rounder", if you didn't tell them the name of the player and what scouts were saying about him. And ell, in my opinion, is just looking at numbers in a very small sample size and making the assumption that scouts are drooling over Travinski's bat. If he had a longer track record, it still wouldn't be a guarantee, but at least I could understand hyping him up at that point.
If you want a recent example, he wasn't a first rounder, but Jud Fabian was drafted in the second round two years in a row, despite power numbers that were barely better than Dean's, and having horrible batting averages. Better athlete, and supposed "projectability".
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 11:26 am
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