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re: CEO has done nothing wrong! Y’all are looking for a scapegoat!
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:13 pm to STRIPES
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:13 pm to STRIPES
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The truth is that if either Jimbo Fisher or Herman had come into LSU and turned in a 9 win season almost every single one of these malcontents would be crowing about the great coaching done by either of the two "geniuses".
Thank you! They somehow get a pass, but CEO doesn't. It's a damn shame!
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:14 pm to LatinTiger30
I'm sure it was the Ole Miss AD's fault too
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:14 pm to LatinTiger30
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Thank you! They somehow get a pass, but CEO doesn't. It's a damn shame!
Only holding CEO to his own words and promises.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:15 pm to STRIPES
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The truth is that if either Jimbo Fisher or Herman had come into LSU and turned in a 9 win season almost every single one of these malcontents would be crowing about the great coaching done by either of the two "geniuses".
Those would have been new staff/coaches, new recruiting goals, new gameplans, new everything. Yes they get a short leash, but when your coach retains 50% of coaches, lacks articulation of a plan, and makes multiple questionable decisions, it's ok to question it. Many of the pieces to O's "vision" were apparently already in place.
Additionally, if Herman would have come here with 9-4 record, then turned around and recruited at #3 class in the country, people would probably have been ok with that, it's a positive sign. And a big one at that.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:16 pm to LatinTiger30
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CEO has done nothing wrong!
Hasn't done much right either.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:16 pm to LatinTiger30
If they lost to Troy?
You fricking kidding me?
No people would still be bitching.
9-4 is a bad season.
No one thought we had a good season in 2009 when he was a new DC, and a Sophmore QB.
Only O syncophants think that’s a good season now
The difference is that akimbo and Herman have shown they can do better. That’s literally Os best season in his career by 5 wins.
You fricking kidding me?
No people would still be bitching.
9-4 is a bad season.
No one thought we had a good season in 2009 when he was a new DC, and a Sophmore QB.
Only O syncophants think that’s a good season now
The difference is that akimbo and Herman have shown they can do better. That’s literally Os best season in his career by 5 wins.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:17 pm to LatinTiger30
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Beating Troy and ND would have put CEO in COY discussions with Kirby
But....he....I mean.....we didn’t.....just never mind.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:17 pm to ELchapoLSU
Look out guys we got a super fan here.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:20 pm to LatinTiger30
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I didnt like or agree with the way the Canada thing was handled, but it affected nothing with the outcome of our record last year.
The title of your thread says that the man did NOTHING wrong and if you think the offense had no affect on the outcome of the Troy game I would say you're insane.
O's most important hire was offensive coordinator and he hired a guy that didn't run the kind of offense that he wants to run. In fact, Spears said on the spring game broadcast that he asked O why Canada was fired. To paraphrase O told him "because he doesn't run an offense that will work in the SEC, he tries to truck you." Any dumbass with YouTube could see that before he was hired.
If O had hired a good coordinator that fit last year, these QBs would be in year 2 of the system and we would have a much better idea if who the starter would be.
So, yeah the while "he's done nothing wrong" argument is nonsense.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:20 pm to LatinTiger30
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Beating Troy and ND would have put CEO in COY discussions with Kirby.
So what you mean is hypothetically, Ed Orgeron is a good coach?
Let's not talk about facts, the fact that he didn't beat Troy or ND, but hypothetically he would be a good coach if he did, therefore he is a good coach. Is that your assessment?
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:22 pm to releauxded2469
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quote:weak leadership at the top! Completely agree, although weak leadership makes weak hires. quote:CEO has done nothing wrong I guess you’re right if you leave out things such as lying to everyone, causing a decline in recruiting, especially when its his forte, meddling in the offense, fighting with said offensive coordinator and leaving LSU holding the million dollar bill, etc. quote:scapegoat Starting to doubt that you fully understand what this phrase means.
I know exactly what the phrase means. I think the topic has gone way over your head. It's not CEO fault that he got hired by weak leadership, so why make him the scapegoat for everything that is wrong with LSU Football, or LSU Athletics overall?
When Saban got to LSU and we went 8-4 in his first year, we were ecstatic with a freaking "8-4" record! Give CEO time to build his program. We lacked depth at OL, DL, LBs. This is the deepest we've been at those positions since 2011.
By 2019 if LSU hasn't at least played the SECCG, I'll be the first one calling for CEO's head.
In the meantime, let the man do his thing and support the players!
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:23 pm to LatinTiger30
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We were predicted to finish with less wins than we actually won.
Well I’m not sure what you mean by “predicted” wins, but LSU started the season ranked 12/13 and finished at 18 in both polls
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I’ll be more critical of him when his teams start collapsing at the end of the year like Miles’s teams did in the latter part of his coaching tenure at LSU.
As already pointed out, that’s a pretty dumb trade off for historically bad Septembers, but by your standards does finishing 2-2 in November after going 3-0 in October in 2016 count?
Let’s see how he fares when he finally has to play a ranked team after Alabama instead of three schools that fired their coaches
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:25 pm to wildtigercat93
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CEO has done nothing wrong! Y’all are looking for a scapegoat! by wildtigercat93quote: I’ll be more critical of him when his teams start collapsing at the end of the year like Miles’s teams did in the latter part of his coaching tenure at LSU. Losing to SEC teams at the end of the year is a bigger offense to you than losing to a sun belt team at home?
Sometimes losing in a team you believe is inferior to your team is not the worse thing. Ask Nick Saban
What matters is how the team responds to the adversity. We responded pretty damn good if I recall!
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:25 pm to geauxjo
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Beating Troy and ND would have put CEO in COY discussions with Kirby
But....he....I mean.....we didn’t.....just never mind.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:28 pm to LatinTiger30
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Thank you! They somehow get a pass, but CEO doesn't. It's a damn shame!
Coach O does not deserve the benefit of the doubt because he is a proven failure as a head coach
Jimbo has won a national title before and has shown he can improve and develop a program.
herman while not a very flashy first year, improved UT and had them in their first bowl appearance in years, and they won. Plus a top recruiting class. The defense was much improved too.
Coach O walks in was the interim coach for literally a year before his first year as head coach, retains Aranda who was already on staff, takes on the weakest schedule in over a decade and still can't muster 10 wins or a top 10 recruiting class
To add bonuses, he hired an offensive coordinator who he could never agree with in terms of philosophy. We run him off after one year pissing away millions of dollars. Then walks back on his main promise as the head coach of hiring the best coaches. We already pay low rent on the head coach so we can pay for top coordinators, but then we turn around and hire the TE coach who has been on staff for years and hasn't run his own offense in decades
But continue to spin moron
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:29 pm to LatinTiger30
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I know exactly what the phrase means. I think the topic has gone way over your head. It's not CEO fault that he got hired by weak leadership, so why make him the scapegoat for everything that is wrong with LSU Football, or LSU Athletics overall?
What is the new fascination with absolving O of blame because someone else actually did the hiring part? What kind of nonsense is this now?
That's legitimate crazy talk.
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When Saban got to LSU and we went 8-4 in his first year, we were ecstatic with a freaking "8-4" record! Give CEO time to build his program. We lacked depth at OL, DL, LBs. This is the deepest we've been at those positions since 2011.
This was not the sell from Alleva, Ed, or anyone in leadership. Nor does the hire make ANY sense if this was a rebuild. None. Ed Orgeron is a not a long term rebuild coach. The only way this makes sense is if Alleva thought we could win now with the talent, Ed was bringing Kiffin, and Aranda was staying - and we hired a coach without the acumen to feel that he should get in the way.
That is the only way this works.
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By 2019 if LSU hasn't at least played the SECCG, I'll be the first one calling for CEO's head.
I doubt that. Let's say O goes 10-3 the next two years, by some chance, and doesn't make the SECC. Would you still be on the "calling for O's head plan?" quote:
In the meantime, let the man do his thing
Let him hire an OC that he doesn't actually like then fire him less than a year later? Let him not go for it in a bowl game? Let him promote an OC who barely wants to be an OC and hasn't been one in 20 years? Do those sound like "things" that are good for the program?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:31 pm to LatinTiger30
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It's not CEO fault that he got hired by weak leadership, so why make him the scapegoat for everything that is wrong with LSU Football, or LSU Athletics overall?
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Alleva is public enemy #1 for pretty much everybody on this board.
That doesn't absolve Orgeron from any responsibility with the football program. He owns the bad and the good.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:32 pm to Freauxzen
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So what you mean is hypothetically, Ed Orgeron is a good coach? Let's not talk about facts, the fact that he didn't beat Troy or ND, but hypothetically he would be a good coach if he did, therefore he is a good coach. Is that your assessment?
CEO to me currently is an average coach, but he's building a program and may end up being an excellent coach. One season doesn't define any coach.
Also, CEO is hated for what he did at Ole Miss, which has absolutely not bearing on what he's doing at LSU. Yet, he's still judged by that.
Even the best of the best coaches make mistakes, but we all look past those mistakes. Simply put we like the people we like and will berate the one who don't fit our ideas on what a good should should look like, think, or say.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:32 pm to LatinTiger30
We be witch hunt.
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