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re: CEO has done nothing wrong! Y’all are looking for a scapegoat!
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:32 pm to LatinTiger30
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:32 pm to LatinTiger30
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Beating Troy and ND would have put CEO in COY discussions with Kirby.
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:34 pm to Freauxzen
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CEO has done nothing wrong! Y’all are looking for a scapegoat! by Freauxzenquote:The truth is that if either Jimbo Fisher or Herman had come into LSU and turned in a 9 win season almost every single one of these malcontents would be crowing about the great coaching done by either of the two "geniuses". Those would have been new staff/coaches, new recruiting goals, new gameplans, new everything. Yes they get a short leash, but when your coach retains 50% of coaches, lacks articulation of a plan, and makes multiple questionable decisions, it's ok to question it. Many of the pieces to O's "vision" were apparently already in place. Additionally, if Herman would have come here with 9-4 record, then turned around and recruited at #3 class in the country, people would probably have been ok with that, it's a positive sign. And a big one at that.
What if we go 9-4 this year and finish with a top 5 recruiting class. Is that a positive sign of things to come?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:37 pm to LatinTiger30
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CEO to me currently is an average coach,
A coach with a sub-50% winning record is an "average" coach?
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but he's building a program and may end up being an excellent coach.
"Building a program," by not knowing what kind of OC he wants?
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Also, CEO is hated for what he did at Ole Miss, which has absolutely not bearing on what he's doing at LSU. Yet, he's still judged by that.
O is disliked, not hated, because he doesn't deserve the job and hasn't elevated much since he took it. He's also disliked, mainly around here, because of the lengths some of you go to to defend him. That doesn't play well for O. If you just showed up and said "I have no basis for my opinion, I'm going to Hope and Pray, but O can win this thing," the tenor would be different here. But as long as you throw up ridiculous statements like "Ed Orgeron is an average coach," when he was specifically hired not to coach, the logic just doesn't work, and people react.
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Even the best of the best coaches make mistakes, but we all look past those mistakes. Simply put we like the people we like and will berate the one who don't fit our ideas on what a good should should look like, think, or say.
Eh, I could name 30 coaches easily who I'd rather over O and feel way more confident in. It isn't a "liking" someone thing, it's a "Do you feel confident in the leader" thing. O does not inspire any confidence whatsoever.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:38 pm to LatinTiger30
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We were predicted to finish with less wins than we actually won.
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Beating Troy and ND would have put CEO in COY discussions with Kirby.
You need to get back on your meds
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:42 pm to LatinTiger30
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What if we go 9-4 this year and finish with a top 5 recruiting class. Is that a positive sign of things to come?
So 2.5 years of O and he, most likely without getting into details, can't win big games or win games that he shouldn't win? No, I'd have 0 faith in O winning big games. Why would we do this to hire yet another coach that can't beat the best of the best? The whole point of firing Les was to get back to the top, be an elite team again. That would most likely put O 0-3 vs Saban, 1-2 vs. Malzahn, Probably 1-2 vs. Mullen, etc. If he can't beat the best, there's no point for LSU to employ him if they want to be the best.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:48 pm to Tigerbait357
Coach O does not deserve the benefit of the doubt because he is a proven failure as a head coach - At Ole Miss yes. At USC and LSU, he's been respectable. His Ole Miss days have nothing to do with his job at LSU now.
Jimbo has won a national title before and has shown he can improve and develop a program. What have Jimbo done lately except be terrible in his last season at FSU. He hasn't won shite in years! He's on the decline if you ask me.
herman while not a very flashy first year, improved UT and had them in their first bowl appearance in years, and they won. Plus a top recruiting class. The defense was much improved too. Herman is no better than CEO. CEO has a better records than him while coaching in a Power 5 conf. Okay, so Herman used to beat up on the Tulane's of the world. Great job, Tom!
Coach O walks in was the interim coach for literally a year before his first year as head coach, retains Aranda who was already on staff, takes on the weakest schedule in over a decade and still can't muster 10 wins or a top 10 recruiting class. The boys had quit on Miles. We were also a top 10 recruiting class the year he took over for Miles. We were 15th last year, but got the players that we needed to beef up the lines. That's where championships are won and loss.
To add bonuses, he hired an offensive coordinator who he could never agree with in terms of philosophy. We run him off after one year pissing away millions of dollars. Then walks back on his main promise as the head coach of hiring the best coaches. We already pay low rent on the head coach so we can pay for top coordinators, but then we turn around and hire the TE coach who has been on staff for years and hasn't run his own offense in decades - I don't disagree with you here. I've admitted it was shitty the way he handled the Canada situation, but you don't know how the season will play out with SE, so take a breather and sit this play out, lil buddy.
There are no spins here except the ones the fans have recreated. CEO wasn't my first choice, but at the time the coach I wanted didn't want us. The pickings were are very slim for other coaches.
I promise you I'll be right here with you if LSU bombs this seasons. CEO also knows what's up.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:48 pm to LatinTiger30
quote:One season?
CEO to me currently is an average coach, but he's building a program and may end up being an excellent coach. One season doesn't define any coach.
quote:He's not "hated" because of that. He's judged by that because it actually happened. It IS his HC resume! It SHOULD have been heavily involved in the decision to hire him.
Also, CEO is hated for what he did at Ole Miss, which has absolutely not bearing on what he's doing at LSU. Yet, he's still judged by that.
quote:Best of coaches make mistakes like losing to UAB, and it's looked past once they prove it was an incredible anomaly, and in fact, they are actually MULTIPLE time NC winning HCs. Not when they get blasted by MSU in epic fashion, so bad it was the worst beat down loss in series history, and not when they puss out in a damn bowl game.
Even the best of the best coaches make mistakes, but we all look past those mistakes. Simply put we like the people we like and will berate the one who don't fit our ideas on what a good should should look like, think, or say.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:55 pm to LatinTiger30
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At USC and LSU, he's been respectable. His Ole Miss days have nothing to do with his job at LSU now.
Comparing his three year stint as the full time head coach at Ole Miss is much more relevant than comparing it to eight games as the interim at USC.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:57 pm to LatinTiger30
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Sometimes losing in a team you believe is inferior to your team is not the worse thing. Ask Nick Saban
You think Nick saban would tell you that losing to troy was a good thing?
Also O ISNT SABAN
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:57 pm to LatinTiger30
quote:Besides the perpetuation of lies?
CEO has done nothing wrong!
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:01 pm to LatinTiger30
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Coach O does not deserve the benefit of the doubt because he is a proven failure as a head coach
Amen, I am glad you finally came around.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:01 pm to LatinTiger30
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Sometimes losing in a team you believe is inferior to your team is not the worse thing. Ask Nick Saban What matters is how the team responds to the adversity. We responded pretty damn good if I recall!
No we went out and looked like shite again Vs Florida but they were even worse.
My question is why could we as a team respond to a humiliating loss to Miss st?
That felt like a good time to turn the season around.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:01 pm to LatinTiger30
another o flake apologist 
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:04 pm to LatinTiger30
He still goes against his word and is all over the place.
However, it does start at the top.. but even then, it’s really Alleva. I realize people above him didn’t help, but he didn’t have to get pissy and hire O so quickly over emotion.
However, it does start at the top.. but even then, it’s really Alleva. I realize people above him didn’t help, but he didn’t have to get pissy and hire O so quickly over emotion.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:05 pm to LatinTiger30
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CEO has done nothing wrong!
He meddled in the office after promising he wouldn't.
He hired Ensminger as OC
He didn't sign a quality CB
He hired the village idiot to go full retard on an ill-advised PR campaign
He has done wrong.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:09 pm to LatinTiger30
fired his handpicked OC after 11 months
first 4 TD loss to Miss State, ever
first loss to a Sun Belt team, ever
threw the kickers on the roster under the bus
first 4 TD loss to Miss State, ever
first loss to a Sun Belt team, ever
threw the kickers on the roster under the bus
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:17 pm to LatinTiger30
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Coach O does not deserve the benefit of the doubt because he is a proven failure as a head coach - At Ole Miss yes. At USC and LSU, he's been respectable. His Ole Miss days have nothing to do with his job at LSU now.
Do people not understand there is a major difference between bein an interim coach with another coaches staff and players vs running your own program? I still applaud O for what he did under the circumstances but he did not deserve this job
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Jimbo has won a national title before and has shown he can improve and develop a program. What have Jimbo done lately except be terrible in his last season at FSU. He hasn't won shite in years! He's on the decline if you ask me.
LOL he and the administration have been fighting with each other the last two years, it was a doomed marriage. Part of the problems with CFB prorams is when they are too involved with a head coach and how they run a program its way to messy. he has only ever had one bad season.
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. Herman is no better than CEO. CEO has a better records than him while coaching in a Power 5 conf. Okay, so Herman used to beat up on the Tulane's of the world. Great job, Tom!
Jesus you lack logic and reasoning. Texas was a dumpster fire inside out between the culture and every aspect of that program. People want to pick on herman because players are running off but this is what happens when you tear down a soft culture and try to implement different culture, one far different from UT has been at over the years.
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We were also a top 10 recruiting class the year he took over for Miles. We were 15th last year, but got the players that we needed to beef up the lines. That's where championships are won and loss.
We addressed needs but quality of depth? And we missed on corner backs and QBs, but continue to spin
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but you don't know how the season will play out with SE, so take a breather and sit this play out, lil buddy.
if we were to continue to say this after every damn decision nothing would ever get done
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:18 pm to LatinTiger30
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If LSU athletics has declined, it’s solely do to the weak leadership at the top
There’s some truth to that but O is still a very bad coach.
Shitty leadership hiring a shitty coach will lead to shitty results.
And let’s not pretend that O hasn’t bungled more than a few things in his own right.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:22 pm to Tigerbait357
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Jesus you lack logic and reasoning.
latin tiger lacks many things. one is a brain!
i have said it before and i will say it again. DUMBEST FANS IN AMERICA. willfully lazy, dishonest, ignorant and naive.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:24 pm to LatinTiger30
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When Saban got to LSU and we went 8-4 in his first year, we were ecstatic with a freaking "8-4" record
Oh for frick’s sake.
Are you really suggesting that the LSU Saban took over was equivalent to the LSU Ed took over.
Before Saban, how long was the SEC title drought? How long had it been since a national title? How many too 10 recruiting classes were we pulling in?
The 2 situations are not even remotely comparable.
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