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re: Cecil Collins...one of the best Combinations of Strength, Speed and vision
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:08 am to drexyl
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:08 am to drexyl
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only there was a professional league where one could display this raw physical talent so that we could judge their ability appropriately, alas.
I'm still trying to square him saying he is talking about physical talent but doesn't care about size and speed.
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Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:11 am to Rickdaddy4188
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So you didn't see bo jackson, herschel walker, lf, Ron dayne, Eddie George, derrick henry or about a dozen other rbs?
I did and all of them were great for their particular style
Neither had the combo of sleep, agility and power that collins had but some had more speed, more power and more agility but not the combo that I saw for that brief time.
Does that make sense to you?
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 7:12 am
Posted on 1/10/23 at 8:10 am to SlidellCajun
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Neither had the combo of sleep, agility and power that collins had but some had more speed, more power and more agility but not the combo that I saw for that brief time.
Does that make sense to you?
Yeah but the guys I mentioned were all bigger and faster than Cecil Collins. Bo Jackson might be the greatest pure athlete in history. Eddie George was 238lbs and ran 4.49( faster than and more powerful than Cecil).
It's clear Cecil collins has taken on some Paul Bunyan type lore.
"I once saw Cecil Collins pick up a car...while he was sitting in it."
He literally had a chance to show those physical gifts in the nfl and he sucked.
The fact that you're sitting here saying Bo Jackson didn't have the physical gifts that cecil collins had is testimony to that opinion.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 8:12 am
Posted on 1/10/23 at 8:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
"Cecil Collins once had sex in an 18 wheeler... 9 months later Optimus Prime was born... the craziest part is the sex was consensual!"
He ran well against 2 scrubs and auburn and you have lsu fans saying his football skills were incomparable. Really...? Incomparable? As if we didn't see his nfl career. _u it
He ran well against 2 scrubs and auburn and you have lsu fans saying his football skills were incomparable. Really...? Incomparable? As if we didn't see his nfl career. _u it
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 8:20 am
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:07 am to ChineseBandit58
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I have not witnessed anything at all of his off-field behavior -
In his extremely short tenure at McNeese after leaving LSU, going there with a zero tolerance policy by the coach, I saw him at a club/bar behind McNeese’s campus dancing on a small stage- smoking weed in front of a club load of people.
My first thought was, well, he won’t play there very long
Posted on 1/10/23 at 11:05 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:i have argued this for years when these offseason threads pop up about the GREAT Cecil Collins.
It's clear Cecil collins has taken on some Paul Bunyan type lore.
He had a career post LSU - we all saw it and it wasn't impressive. But we still get these threads every year about what a generational talent this above average running back was based on FOUR GAMES! Three of which were against some pretty average to below average teams.
Charles Alexander
Kevin Faulk
Derrius Guice
Leonard Fournette
Clyde Edwards Helaire
were ALL better than "the Diesel" - and i'm probably missing another 5 or so backs i would take before collins based on talent alone.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 11:09 am to panzer
quote:they were pretty comparable to a lot of running backs. he was an above average running back at a time when we weren't used to seeing that type of talent on the field at LSU. We have seen it on a fairly consistent basis over the past 25 years and it puts "the Diesel" in proper context.
His football skills were incomparable
Posted on 1/10/23 at 11:20 am to drexyl
Saw the guy posted that Jimmy Johnson said Cecil was the best rb he ever coached. He's exactly right. Jimmy said this after he got arrested when he was with the Dolphins!
Posted on 1/10/23 at 11:35 am to drexyl
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he was an above average running back at a time when we weren't used to seeing that type of talent on the field at LSU.
This is beyond delusional.
Edit to add: LSU has historically had great running backs, both before and after Collins. Kevin Faulk, who was on the same team, was twice the player Collins was.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 1/10/23 at 11:47 am to ChineseBandit58
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Would have been greatest RB in history based on physical talent alone
72 career carries at LSU and a 3.2 ypc average in the pros.
Oh and his 8.3 ypc at LSU is only 36th all time for a season.
But yet, he was the greatest RB talent in history?!?
Posted on 1/10/23 at 11:51 am to jralspanky
quote:
He could jump thru windows pretty good too
One of the best at being a fool too.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:11 pm to polkchop1
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:13 pm to Got Blaze
there were not many with power and speed and vision like herschel walker, bo jackson, leonard fournette and cecil the diesel.
mealey was a slasher and dasher
faulk had speed but had juke moves.
other schools had big but slower power backs along with scat backs like florida had in demps and rainey.
mealey was a slasher and dasher
faulk had speed but had juke moves.
other schools had big but slower power backs along with scat backs like florida had in demps and rainey.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:27 pm to TigerDeacon
quote:agreed on historically that's why i said "at that time" - we had sucked for a long time on a virtual mississippi state level. Are you saying the talent at running back from 1985 - 1995 was comparable to or even better than the talent from 2002 - 2010 or 2010 - 2020?
LSU has historically had great running backs
And Cecil was indeed an above average running back - that's it. He had a great 4 game stretch against some suspect teams at LSU. He had his shot post LSU including in the NFL and never showed this mythical talent he gets heralded for here ever offseason.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:30 pm to TigerDeacon
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72 career carries at LSU and a 3.2 ypc average in the pros.
Oh and his 8.3 ypc at LSU is only 36th all time for a season.
Seriously. Guice had 8.5 ypc on 51 carries in 2015 and 7.6 on 183 carries in 2016. Fournette averaged 6.5 in 400 carries from 2015-2016. Jeremy Hill averaged 6.9 over 203 carries in 2013.
If we took a 4 game sample from Fournette's first 4 games in 2015, he had 864 yards on 99 carries (8.73 ypc) with 11 TDs
And before anyone says it, Collins was the same age in 1997 as Fournette was in 2015. Collins redshirted his freshman season (academically ineligible iirc). Fournette didn't.This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:33 pm to Fat Bastard
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faulk had speed but had juke moves.
Faulk also had hands, vision, and ran really hard for someone of his size. Faulk was more talented , more complete, and an all-around better back than Collins IMO. There's a reason Faulk had a 13 year NFL career after a HOF college career.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:34 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:including "the Diesel" in that list holy shite
there were not many with power and speed and vision like herschel walker, bo jackson, leonard fournette and cecil the diesel.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:48 pm to drexyl
On the field Cecil was the best player I've ever seen
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:57 pm to Bayou
I love Faulk. He stayed home and helped build LSU to what it is today. But people saying Faulk was better than Collins have lost their minds! Better person yes! I have never seen anyone accelerate in traffic while breaking tackles better than Collins!
Posted on 1/10/23 at 2:39 pm to Donhogg1
quote:Anyone? So no other running back in the history of man?
I have never seen anyone accelerate in traffic while breaking tackles better than Collins!
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