re: CBS Sports has O on the hot seat.

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No one would have given a flying frick "how" the offense looked in 2015 if LSU would have beaten Bama, Ark, Ole Miss and gone undefeated that year

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Could've, would've, should've. Problem was they didn't beat them and the offense didn't change.

He is in the hotseat and if he loses, he needs to be sent packing to Chackbay. However, let's be fans and hope for the best. No matter what, I want my LSU Fighting Tigers to win win win!!!

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Pittsburgh academic standards > LSU It was obvious during September the players were lost

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If the players are lost I blame coaching before I blame the players. I doubt that many people on offense are just too dumb to get a football scheme. Much more likely that they're getting inadequate position coaching, which again is believable when we all admit we have a WR coach that shouldn't even have the job.

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If the players are lost I blame coaching before I blame the players.

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You have an OC, then position coaches. Which ones were failing here?

Which ones are responsible for players being in position and knowing the material?

If you weren't talking about penalties you might be right, but I'm pretty sure procedure and false starts are on the players

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8-9 wins a year, good QB play, good offense.....Miles is still our coach. Because people still pay to see that

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bullshite. You sound like one of those guys that wins and losses don't matter. As long as the offense scores 40 or more points per game, you're happy as a clam.

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and recruits would still want to play in that scheme.

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LSU recruiting rankings since 2012 according to 247.

2012: #13
2013: #6
2014: #2
2015: #5
2016: #2

Sure looks like recruits still wanted to play for LSU, Miles and his old boring style of football.

And the 2017 class was ranked #7, and Miles had as much to do with that class as o did.

You really are cra_cra.

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I'm often told on this site that we must add his interim gigs to his overall record when judging him as a coach. I don't agree, but if that's the rule we're playing under then that means he's practically starting his third year as LSU's head coach.

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His interim gigs are not as impressive as made out to be.

He still lost 4 games in shortened seasons between the two.. and he had absolutely loaded teams.. and he still find ways to lose to teams he should not have in both seasons.

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and he had absolutely loaded teams.

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If you weren't talking about penalties you might be right, but I'm pretty sure procedure and false starts are on the players

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If that's the case, then why bother tinkering with the offense at all for the Troy game?

Orgeron said he did it to make the offense simpler for the OL. Clapp and Malone said it didn't make any difference for them. Then Orgeron told Canada to go back to presnap motion during halftime. LSU had one false start penalty in the 2nd half.

So interfering with the offense to help a struggling unit with blocking and penalties lasted one half, for a total of zero points.

Maybe the offense wasn't the problem and maybe the players weren't the problem. Maybe the head coach didn't know what he was talking about.

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I get it. I guess my thing is that people say that excuses are made for him that wouldn't be made for other coaches and that he should be treated like other coaches. I'm one of those people too. But, any other coach wouldn't be on the hot seat after winning 9 games last year and IMO, he shouldn't either.

If he 9 this year and has a bad loss or 2, then sure, put the 10 win expectation there for '19 and if he doesn't make it, then he's gone. That's being on the hot seat IMO.

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O is not any other coach though, and he shouldn't be measured as one:

1. He was hired because we had the talent was there and we just needed a coach to "get out of the way" and open up the offense. That was it. That was the sell of the hire, that we could win immediately. He should be held to that standard.

2. Most CFB hires fall into two buckets 1) Proven Head Coach Winner 2) Unproven prodigy - highly touted from a small school or a highly successful coordinator. Bucket 1 gets the benefit of the doubt, and 3 years, because their track record proves success. It's simple to say "The guy was 11-2 consistently before, he'll be that good again, he just needs his system in place and that will take time." You are betting on his experience and on getting to the level that the coach consistently performed at. Bucket 2 gets the benefit of the doubt and time because you hired him to give him the opportunity to build a program in his experience. You can't fall back on consistent win percentages, but you can fall back on: "He did x, y, z well as a coordinator and he SHOULD be able to be even better as a head coach. He's proven he can do this well, he just needs to build on that. That will take time."

O doesn't fall into either bucket, and in fact, was hired for that reason because people believed that any imbecile could get 10 wins out of LSU's talent. And that was the frustration with Miles, he had talent that wasn't producing.

It was only AFTER the hire that all of the narratives changed, and that O deserved some kind of new measuring stick. 9 wins was not enough for Les, and, given as how O was hired to take this talent to the next level, no build a program, 9 wins isn't enough to solidify the seat for O. He had to prove immediately that he could b e better than Les. And this season is really it for that measurement.

Plus O is like 2-6 vs ranked opponents or something right? That's just ugly regardless of the 17-8 record.

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Soooooo... but coordinators can be shut the frick down after a few games because we know all we need to know in that time frame?

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The short answer is yes. Remember, when we had co-Defensive coordinators. As I recall that was shut down after one year. I don't remember such an uproar. Assistants get fired all the time-- even after one year. Look at the 3 OC at Bama following In the wake of Kiffin. Some serving less than a year. (And please don't go off on a tangent that O is not the same as Saban or Miles). Assistants basically serve at the pleasure of the HC. Some get fired after one year. It happens. No earth-shattering news.