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re: CBS Sports has O on the hot seat.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Even when you include the interim tag wins. It's not an impressive look for CEO.
Oh...I agree.
But watch how fast someone mentions the interim record when they talk about his time at LSU.
Either way, having coached LSU, even as an interim coach, for 9 games in 2016, gives him a slightly different look than if we had hired someone else in November of 2016 who would, actually, be starting his true second year.
I agree with RB10 even though I hate his point...unless there is a catastrophe, Orgeron gets the 2019 season...at least to start.
ETA: Case in point...someone likely downvoated you for suggesting an interim coach is not the same thing as a full time head coach.
He deserves to be on the middle/hot seat imho because of the number of questions LSU has going into this campaign and how things ended last season.
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Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:25 am to JBeam
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If we remove his interim tag. His top three wins as HC are:
1. Auburn 10-4
2. TAMU 7-6
3. Ole Miss 6-6
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:26 am to nvasil1
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Whether or not anyone agrees with preseason W/L projections or head coach rankings, I think a lot of people realize this team needs to perform in big games, and if they don't, everything could unravel quickly for Orgeron.
8-9 wins should not be considered acceptable. It wasn't for Les and it shouldn't be for O. The entire point of hiring him was a continuity with the supposed one or two tweaks we needed to become elite again. Now that they're spinning this "we need more time" bull shite, so much of our fan base is falling for it. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:28 am to JBeam
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Even when you include the interim tag wins. It's not an impressive look for CEO.
Of course...when you actually look at it a bit. But it DOES raise his abysmal overall winning percentage and without those 2 interim gigs he's not as close to .500 as he is today.
BTW, even adding them he's still below it, and we have people upset that he's ranked near the bottom of SEC coaches.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:36 am to jlovel7
quote:7-9 wins & a top 3-5 recruiting class will get him a pass.
8-9 wins should not be considered acceptable. It wasn't for Les and it shouldn't be for O. The entire point of hiring him was a continuity with the supposed one or two tweaks we needed to become elite again. Now that they're spinning this "we need more time" bull shite, so much of our fan base is falling for it. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Now if LSU falls to the 5-6 win range. That could change the story on CEO. But I would assume they would look at who we beat and how we lost to certain teams.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:38 am to JBeam
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-9 wins & a top 3-5 recruiting class will get him a pass.
It shouldn't because that's exactly what Les Miles was fired for.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:39 am to Lebowski
He needs to be. He can end all this talk with a great year
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:40 am to JBeam
quote:
7-9 wins & a top 3-5 recruiting class will get him a pass.
Can you imagine the mental gymnastic that would be employed to defend LSU going 7-5?
quote:
Now if LSU falls to the 5-6 win range
5-7...
It's stunning that this is what would have to happen before we could be saved.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:43 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:it would be something to behold
Can you imagine the mental gymnastic that would be employed to defend LSU going 7-5
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:47 am to Lebowski
quote:Anomaly.
You must have missed the Troy game and the worst loss to MSU in school history.
If something like that happens this year you may have a point.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:47 am to AshLSU
quote:This and his history works against him.
Les was winning 8/9 games/year. He was fired. Orgeron was not hired to continue that winning percentage.
Would you guys be ok with hiring Derek Dooley letting him win 9 games, 7 games and continue to decline the program?
O will never escape his Ole Miss shadow, it’s simply too damning.
Good news- He has an excellent opportunity, with this schedule and ‘19 class, to shut up the critics.
Bad news- If he slips up it can snowball in a hurry.
I’m of the opinion that he should get ‘19 as well but if those loses start stacking up people aren’t going to want to see what Ed can do.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:52 am to justice
quote:
it would be something to behold
That would actually be a fun game to play...presuppose the excuses used if things go bad.
Problem is, most of the guys arguing the other side of this are not honest actors, so even if you made it VERY VERY clear that you were not hoping for things to go south just anticipating excuses if they did, you'd be lambasted for hoping things go south.
I'd also like to think that by exposing obvious excuses preseason it would prevent them from being used later on...but you know it wouldn't. In fact, it would almost certainly be used as a list from which to draw.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:53 am to La Place Mike
quote:
Anomaly.
Was the Miss St blowout also an anomaly?
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:53 am to Lebowski
Guys gets 3 years unless he completely stumbles and has a 3-9 season this year and starts 0-2 or 1-2 next year.
1. Have too much in buyout money already
2. Sends a really bad message to fire a coach after 1 or 2 seasons for winning 9 games year 1.
3. Need to fire Alleva first. (If O needs to be fired)
Time will tell but as of now even though I dont believe hes the man for the job he has at least 2 more seasons.
1. Have too much in buyout money already
2. Sends a really bad message to fire a coach after 1 or 2 seasons for winning 9 games year 1.
3. Need to fire Alleva first. (If O needs to be fired)
Time will tell but as of now even though I dont believe hes the man for the job he has at least 2 more seasons.
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:59 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Yep. Unless you think that's a common occurrence.
Was the Miss St blowout also an anomaly?
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 11:01 am
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:03 am to IM_4_LSU
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Guys gets 3 years unless he completely stumbles and has a 3-9 season this year and starts 0-2 or 1-2 next year.
I agree in normal circumstances...but Orgeron was billed as a continuation hire. Hell...his OC and DC are still from the previous staff. In addition, while he was just the interim in 2016, he coached a total of 9 games that year.
Sadly, we set this strange situation up...but we ought not be held hostage to the normal way of going even if it hurts more.
If we can't tell the direction of the program after 36 or so games with Orgeron as the head coach, what are we going to learn after the next 13?
Again...had we hired from outside and the new HC brought in his own staff and we did a complete revamp fo the program...yes, ABSOLUTELY you give him 3 year or more to see if what he's doing works...provided it's not idiotic and obviously tanking your quality program. But we did not do that. We hired from within and were promised positive change ASAP. Now we're being sold that we need to give him the same amount of time as someone who had never been on campus before he was hired.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:03 am to Lebowski
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:07 am to La Place Mike
quote:
Unless you think that's a common occurrence.
At LSU? No, it wasn't. It was historic, as was the Troy loss.
The issue is, are these types of losses anomalies for our head coach. LSU managed to go our entire football series with state having never gotten beaten that badly. We had not lost a game to a non Power 5 conference team in forever. both happened under Orgeron right out of the gate, with a team we were told by him would be competing for championships right then and there.
Given Orgeron's previous track record as a head coach, the worry is that it's NOT an anomaly for him. It's par for the course, and tracks with what you ought to have expected when you hired a man who had a career head coaching record of 10-25.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:09 am to TigerLunatik
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That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Even the most doubtful of people should be able to realize that most coaches get three years to prove themselves
I'm not so sure on this one. Most coaches get a few years for a couple of reasons. They are allowed to rebuild where needed, and they usually get a chance (with some success) to replace a coordinator.
There is rebuilding in spots (OL and DL mainly), but overall this team is talented.
As for the 2nd reason, Orgeron decided to replace his coordinator already. That's quicker than normal, but that was his decision. He's not going to get a 3rd chance to do that. So, if Ensminger flops, there is a real chance that Orgeron is shown the door and rightfully so.
If Ensminger doesn't flop, and the offense shows real potential under Ensminger (even if they only win 8 games), he won't be fired, nor should he.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:14 am to Lebowski
Now that's a new subject.
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