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re: Casual fans are the problem
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Hardcore football fans know LSU has as many or more resources to win as compared to anybody else and should expect more than we've been getting.
Casual fans who don't know anything think LSU can't do any better and see Les as a sympathetic figure.
I agree with your OP, casual fans are the problem, but your reasoning is straight up bullshite. 90% of the people I hear bitching the loudest about Miles can't name a single player beyond the starting QB and his backup who they think is inevitably better. Casual CFB fans look at Bama and think it's easy to win a natty, and that no one else has the resources LSU does. There are a dozen programs who have the same advantages we do and haven't had the same success.
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:18 pm to jonboy
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Here's the deal; those of us who watch a lot of football know the difference. For example, Michigan State pulls off a picture perfect 22 play drive to beat Iowa. A thing of beauty actually. Think a Les Miles coached team could pull that off?
We beat Ole Miss last year with a similar drive.
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I guarantee one or several of the following will happen: a delay of game; a false start; a timeout after a delay; a completely botched play or two; substitution problems etc?
Those are things that have nothing to do with scheme & 100% to do with coaching.
What is wrong with some accountability for the players? The coaches are not blameless, especially for nonsense like delays or timeouts, but the players know they can't move before the snap. They know not to hold. They know to catch the ball. The QB knows where the play clock is.
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Therein lies the issue: when it's coaching the casual observers blame scheme, when it's scheme the casual observers say it's players not executing.
Sometimes coaches get out-coached and schemes get out-schemed, but no amount of coaching or scheming works without execution.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:20 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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casual fans are the problem,
casual fans were the problem two weeks ago when they showed up in groves to support coach miles because it was blasted on the media that he was the winningest coach ever at LSU and have no idea what has happened the last 3 years. AKA "soccer moms"
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:22 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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There are a dozen programs who have the same advantages we do
Only major D1 team in a fertile state for recruiting...not to mention bordered by 2 states that have great recruits?
Pays top dollar for coaches?
Has top 5 facilities?
I think these 3 narrow those 12 down to a few
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
You can taste the vitriol spewing from the mouths of 'rabid' fans as yourself.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Hardcore football fans know LSU has as many or more resources to win as compared to anybody else and should expect more than we've been getting.
Casual fans who don't know anything think LSU can't do any better and see Les as a sympathetic figure.
As a hardcore football fan that would love to talk x's and o's with you anytime you are available. I say you couldn't be more wrong.
I don't see Les as a sympathetic figure. My reasoning for Les to get 1 more year is because for the second straight year he won't get gutted by the draft most likely. If he doesn't get it done then you move on next year as the core will be gone and a new coach can basically start fresh instead of trying to change kids from one way to another when there would be a transition period.
Les does not need to overhaul his philosophy he just needs to tweak it. Bama is in the playoffs with the same idea as LSU just slightly tweaked by adding motions and shifts.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:25 pm to nvasil1
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We beat Ole Miss last year with a similar drive.
and we lost to bama because we couldn't score from the 5yd line with 2 minutes left...and the lead.
How many times did the offense not get a 1st down and we had to punt and rely on defense...we lost quite a few games because our offense was unable to possess the ball late in games.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:34 pm to Topwater Trout
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Only major D1 team in a fertile state for recruiting...not to mention bordered by 2 states that have great recruits?
Is completely overrated. We compete with programs across the country for LA recruits, and your "bordered by" comment simply cements that. The world just isn't that big anymore. UGA has been lucky to get even half the top players in their state over the last decade, casual fans don't recognize that both Miles and Saban have had to bust their arse to not let that happen in LA. Miami used to just cherry pick Nola.
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Pays top dollar for coaches?
We spend a lot on assistants but Miles sits at #9 nationally. The difference in our assistants versus the rest of the top ten is less than half a million dollars. We could easily fall out of the top ten after schools finish building staffs this year.
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Has top 5 facilities?
Is this a joke? LSU's facilities have fallen way down the list. Miles has pushed hard for the nutrition center but has been fought by, you guessed it, Alleva and King. Facilities are the biggest arms race in CFB, casual fans look at Tiger Stadium and think that means LSU has good facilities but the ones recruits see are almost a decade old, which is dinosaur age.
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I think these 3 narrow those 12 down to a few
Keep trying.
eta: sure doing a great job of making yourself look like the type of casual fan I was talking about though.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:35 pm to Topwater Trout
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and we lost to bama because we couldn't score from the 5yd line with 2 minutes left...and the lead.
Don't forget the lame personal foul on Vadal in that sequence.
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we lost quite a few games because our offense was unable to possess the ball late in games.
Yeah, so...?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:43 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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LSU's facilities have fallen way down the list
link?
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casual fans look at Tiger Stadium and think that means LSU has good facilities
yeh well I am not a casual fan and if you inferred that I meant the stadium it makes me wonder if YOU are the casual fan
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Is completely overrated. We compete with programs across the country for LA recruits
so having won 2 national titles and being the only major D1 team in the state is overrated for Louisiana recruits?
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Miami used to just cherry pick Nola.
in the 80's & 90's...kids growing up in NOLA now know LSU to be the better program
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The difference in our assistants versus the rest of the top ten is less than half a million dollars. We could easily fall out of the top ten after schools finish building staffs this year.
but we are #1 right now right? Why argue what we could be...just acknowledge what we are...which is my point.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:45 pm to nvasil1
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Yeah, so...?
I shouldn't have made that statement to your post
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:46 pm to mylsuhat
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"Hardcore fans" that live and die vicariously through the success/failure of 18-22 year old kids must live boring lives
This is the most presumptuous and insulting meme currently in vogue on this board. It's a form of capitulation, something posters resort to when they've exhausted intelligent football observations.
First, every single fan of every single sport the world over "lives vicariously" through his or her chosen team. That's the essence of being a fan. It's absurd to argue that all of those untold millions across the globe are suffering from some psychological shortcoming. It's equally absurd to come to a forum designed specifically for LSU fans and scold members for being precisely that. (This absurdity is heightened by the fact that the ones doing the scolding are registered on the very same forum. Presumably, if they had attained the serene Solomonian detachment they profess, they wouldn't be investing their precious time here.)
Further, everything good and wondrous about the LSU program flows directly from the passion of its fanbase: the fearsome reputation of the stadium, the financial contributions that drive facility construction, the colorful sprawl of tailgating, the caravan of traveling fans, and so on. Those men waking up at dawn to haul kegs, and drive tent stakes, and erect grills, and connect satellites, bathing campus with lovely noise and smells? That's passion. The roar of Tiger Stadium in its proudest moments? That's passion. Those teeming, frothing masses certainly aren't the product of measured reserve. The parents who wrangle kids to the Indian Mounds on a Saturday morning when they'd rather be sleeping so that they can instill school pride and bequeath tradition? That's passion, too. The successful businessmen who are willing to donate hard-earned millions to promote success on the field? The couples who hustle during the work week so they can jump in an RV on Fridays to go yell themselves raw amidst the barbarians in Tuscaloosa or Oxford? Just more passion. I'm not going to apologize for my passion simply because an odd segment of this board finds it inconvenient. If you want to loiter indifferently at the fringes of the fanbase, that's you're right. God bless. But don't condemn the hard core zealots who power this big beautiful machine.
Finally, it's arrogant beyond words to assume that every devoted LSU fan has no life outside of football. I have a profession, a wife, a family, friends. I travel broadly. I read widely. I have other hobbies. Like most adults, I'm a man of diverse and competing interests. But I still love LSU football. A lot. Not because it's the only thing in my life, but rather because - having experienced much of the world - I recognize it is unique and special. There are innumerable men and women spannning the generations who feel the same. That's the beauty of Louisiana.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:52 pm to Topwater Trout
I don't even know where to start with all that bullshite you just typed, and quite frankly it just proves that there's a good portion of you who will bitch no matter what is presented because you just aren't getting your way. Awesome thread guys, keep fighting the good fight. 
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:53 pm to jptiger2009
Miles is just not a coaching commodity. Can he sit on a couch and present himself to parents ? Sure he can. Would any other SEC West school want him as their next Captain. No. That tells the story folks. Big difference between a "figure head" and a "meter mover".
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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"Hardcore fans" that live and die vicariously through the success/failure of 18-22 year old kids must live boring lives
i am happier when lsu wins. if they beat another team, that makes me better than their fans.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:06 pm to geauxtigers33
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As a hardcore football fan that would love to talk x's and o's with you anytime you are available.
Ok.
Why don't you give me your perspective on our line play on both sides of the ball over the last 3 years, and Les' instance on trying to win games the same way he did before the clock rules were changed in 2008.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Hardcore football fans know LSU has as many or more resources to win as compared to anybody else and should expect more than we've been getting.
Casual fans who don't know anything think LSU can't do any better and see Les as a sympathetic figure.
straw man
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:15 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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"Hardcore fans" that live and die vicariously through the success/failure of 18-22 year old kids must live boring lives
This is the most presumptuous and insulting meme currently in vogue on this board. It's a form of capitulation, something posters resort to when they've exhausted intelligent football observations.
First, every single fan of every single sport the world over "lives vicariously" through his or her chosen team. That's the essence of being a fan. It's absurd to argue that all of those untold millions across the globe are suffering from some psychological shortcoming. It's equally absurd to come to a forum designed specifically for LSU fans and scold members for being precisely that. (This absurdity is heightened by the fact that the ones doing the scolding are registered on the very same forum. Presumably, if they had attained the serene Solomonian detachment they profess, they wouldn't be investing their precious time here.)
Further, everything good and wondrous about the LSU program flows directly from the passion of its fanbase: the fearsome reputation of the stadium, the financial contributions that drive facility construction, the colorful sprawl of tailgating, the caravan of traveling fans, and so on. Those men waking up at dawn to haul kegs, and drive tent stakes, and erect grills, and connect satellites, bathing campus with lovely noise and smells? That's passion. The roar of Tiger Stadium in its proudest moments? That's passion. Those teeming, frothing masses certainly aren't the product of measured reserve. The parents who wrangle kids to the Indian Mounds on a Saturday morning when they'd rather be sleeping so that they can instill school pride and bequeath tradition? That's passion, too. The successful businessmen who are willing to donate hard-earned millions to promote success on the field? The couples who hustle during the work week so they can jump in an RV on Fridays to go yell themselves raw amidst the barbarians in Tuscaloosa or Oxford? Just more passion. I'm not going to apologize for my passion simply because an odd segment of this board finds it inconvenient. If you want to loiter indifferently at the fringes of the fanbase, that's you're right. God bless. But don't condemn the hard core zealots who power this big beautiful machine.
Finally, it's arrogant beyond words to assume that every devoted LSU fan has no life outside of football. I have a profession, a wife, a family, friends. I travel broadly. I read widely. I have other hobbies. Like most adults, I'm a man of diverse and competing interests. But I still love LSU football. A lot. Not because it's the only thing in my life, but rather because - having experienced much of the world - I recognize it is unique and special. There are innumerable men and women spannning the generations who feel the same. That's the beauty of Louisiana.
Wow. What a beautifully written and great post. Perfect rejoinder to the over used and "presumptuous and insulting meme" at which it was aimed.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Bingo!
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:19 pm to EarlyDfor6
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Would any other SEC West school want him as their next Captain. No. That tells the story folks.
you can't just make up some shite and say "that tells the story"
every NFL team would kill to have Miles as a head coach. That tells the story folks.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 2:21 pm
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