re: Can we give props to O for delivering on his promise?

Define successful

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When the offense was on the field he did not do much talking, and if he did, it was to players.

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We saw this under Les many times. Saw Les without the play sheet many times. Yet people still thought he was calling all the plays.

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We saw this under Les many times. Saw Les without the play sheet many times. Yet people still thought he was calling all the plays.

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You don't need a play sheet to call toss dive, short side option, and power I for 95% of the plays.

I think the best were the single receiver route 3rd down plays.

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and once again, I think o will be successful here

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Will win a sec title in the next 4-5 years and had less than 9 wins just once in the next 5 years.

he basically has to reach the levels miles reached to be deemed successful in my mind.

miles won a sec title about once every 5 years and rarely had less than 9 wins.

imo he will be successful if he reaches what miles did.

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It's not a lie it's just an article by a hack.

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you act like you've been on UM's staff and know he wasn't heavily involved.

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 was given a HC position but the same is true for Meyer

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no it's not.

Meyer hadn't been a position coach for 90% of his career once he was hired as HC for a p5 program.

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yet he's an offensive genius in your opinion having never run any side of the ball. 

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you don't know this. it's youre opinion and youre trying to act like it's a fact.
and again, Meyer had proven he could run a successful program before being hired as a HC at a p5 program.
you know being a HC at Bowling Green is nothing like a P5 HC.
if lsu were a mid-major id have no problem with hiring a 55 year old career position coach.
and I say O hasnt run a successful side of the ball because he publicly stated that he was gonna be hands off.

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that style he's not an offensive guru and that's exactly what Meyer has done with the spread option throughout his career. 

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since bowling green Urban has been heavily involved in the offense.
never said he was an offensive genius. just that he's been heavily involved.

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experimenting with this at Notre Dame or those other places then expanded once he got to Bowling Green

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he was a wr coach at ND.

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ad the foresight to know it was going to be the next big thing in college offense.

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I'm not claiming he came up with this new scheme by himself and he didnt have help from other coaches. I'm saying he has been heavily involved.


Here is an article with direct quotes from UM about running his offense. surely you know your opinion doesn't outweigh direct qoutes from UM and his staff.



from article.....

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an Meyer:  About 1998 or 99 when I was at Notre Dame, we were looking at adapting some of our offensive plans. I was in the I formation for a long time. At Colorado State, I was all one back with Sonny Lubick. I was with Coach Bruce for a long time; it was really tradition I and pro set. The complexity and talent of defenses made it harder and harder to move the ball at Notre Dame.

In 1999, Dan Mullen was my GA at Notre Dame. John L. Smith was the coach at Louisville and Scott Linehan was the offensive coordinator. I started watching them on film and said I want to go study them. He said sure go ahead. We ended up staying four days and had to go buy a toothbrush. I was so enamored with the style of play. That was spread the field and be extremely aggressive. The biggest issue was how to handle pressures. The tighter the formation, the more pressures. It's really a numbers game. It was a different philosophy I had never really…after that, both Dan and I really attacked it. I started getting phone calls about being a head coach and thought about what I would do offensively.

Linehan, Gregg Brandon, Dan Mullen, Greg Studrawa at LSU. We all sat in that old nasty meeting room in Bowling Green, Ohio

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From huddle to snap count, there was no other model. Northwestern was doing some of it and Rich Rodriguez was doing some it, but we developed our own

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what has ed orgeron shown he is a genius at?

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So you saying this team would have automatically respected Aranda like they do coach O? You saying with his quiet demeanor that Aranda could get this team ready to play on Saturday. I'll tell you what coach O is genius at. He's genius with getting his players to respect him, follow his lead, and conform to his agenda on the field and off.

He also knows how to recognize/admit mistakes, in his previous experiences and current. He doesn't mind shaking things up a bit, where some coaches are very timid about these things. Many of these coaches have huge Ego's, coach O doesn't have that. He also has a huge network of coaches across the country that respect him. Obviously he can spot talent, but not only can he spot talent, but he's very good at projecting if that talent will develop in year 1 through 4.

I don't think that it's a coincidence that he was the recruiting coordinator this year, and that these freshman look and play like veterans. He has coached under some of the legends, taking what they did well and has implemented this into his own style now at LSU. Sorry but not any coach could have come into LSU and rebuilt this team the way he did in such a short period of time. He has a close connection with this school. The players know that, feel it, and feed off of it. Players know when you're being factitious or if you truly believe what you're saying and teaching them. Not any coach can do that at LSU.

I truly believe that the school has to fit the coach, that's why you see a coach fail miserably at one place then goes to another across the country and is extremely successful. That's happens a lot, coach O just fits what LSU needed at this time. He's a tough, hard working coach that demands excellence in every piece of his football team, from the coaches, to his strength and conditioning program, to his practices, in the class room, film room and while on that field. He brings the structure, toughness, strength, hardworking, meticulous training, recruiting aspects, while his assistants bring the game planning, technique, and position aspects. They put it all together and you have a freakn diamond stone waiting to be seen, worn, and bought.

Most of all, as he's bringing these things to the program the players are listening, they were starving for something different because even they knew that the previous coach wasn't doing everything he could to perfect this diamond stone which is LSU. HTT

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So you saying this team would have automatically respected Aranda like they do coach O? 

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at least as much. aranda had proven he can run a successful side of the ball.
O hasnt.

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u saying with his quiet demeanor that Aranda could get this team ready to play on Saturday

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who knows.
I do know his resume is better.

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'll tell you what coach O is genius at. He's genius with getting his players to respect him, follow his lead, and conform to his agenda on the field and off

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Many of these coaches have huge Ego's, coach O doesn't have that

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Obviously he can spot talent, but not only can he spot talent, but he's very good at projecting if that talent will develop in year 1 through 4. 

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no one is denying his recruiting prowess

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don't think that it's a coincidence that he was the recruiting coordinator this year, and that these freshman look and play like veterans. 

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He has coached under some of the legends, taking what they did well and has implemented this into his own style now at LSU.

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the coaches he learned from are not hands off coaches.

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orry but not any coach could have come into LSU and rebuilt this team the way he did

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he didnt rebuild shite. he walked into a program littered with nfl talent. the reason for Miles being fired was underachieving with all this nfl talent and now that O was hired he had to rebuild?
in the last 4 years we have had 1 class outside the top 4 and o had to rebuild?
bullshite.

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He has a close connection with this school

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is that why he took shots at lsu every chance he could before coming here?

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Not any coach can do that at LSU. 

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many could.
literally dozens could.

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I truly believe that the school has to fit the coach, that's why you see a coach fail miserably at one place then goes to another across the country and is extremely successful. That's happens a lot,

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it most certainly does not.
never in the history of cfb has a coach had a 1st tenure win % of O went onto win a NT.that was looked up by someone on here.

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He brings the structure, toughness, strength, hardworking, meticulous training, recruiting aspects, 

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so the subjective part of coaching

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while his assistants bring the game planning, technique, and position aspects. 

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the best coaches in cfb and the nfl are not hands off on planning.

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Most of all, as he's bringing these things to the program the players are listening, they were starving for something different because even they knew that the previous coach wasn't doing everything he could to perfect this diamond stone which is L

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and just as many players were sad to see miles go.



who is more important to the successful of lsu football?

orgeron or aranda?

I'm giving O a chance and even called out the haters Saturday night because I liked what I saw but if we had to get rid of either O or Aranda my pic is easily O. there are dozens of coaches that could do what O is doing. tgere are not many coaches that could do what aranda is doing.


I've never once knocked O's knowledge of football or claimed he won't/ can't be successful at lsu. I think/hope he will be successful.

it's not even that big of a deal.my initial point was he was heavily involved.
I don't have a problem with you saying he hasn't run an offense and i see your argument and statements.
and youre probably right that he never run an entire offense.

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Meyer played DB that's where most of his knowledge is

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no its not. he was a defensive coach for 4 years of his 30+ years career.
He was a defensive coach from 1985-1988.
He was an offensive coach from 1989-2000.
I've provided direct qoutes from Urban and Meyer and his staff.

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I offered to provide contradicting quotes if you want me to but I can see to you that won't prove anything. 

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skip bayless' qoutes dont outweigh qoutes from the actual coach.

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yer doesn't have to be the creator of captain of running the spread offense to have input on offense.

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he helped create the offense. I'm sure there were other coaches in that group with more offensive knowledge.

Does he know enough about our new offense to even attempt to interfere?

And our defensive coordinator is a better defensive coach than Orgeron will ever be.