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re: Can we as a fan base not recognize that young QB's develop over time?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:41 pm to Festus
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:41 pm to Festus
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And Lee was having an adequate season at QB. He was serviceable. But awesome? Come on man. We were winning because of defense and special teams.
14 TD's and 3 picks 63% comp. with an undefeated team. Maybe awesome was too strong but he did develop and was having a solid season. Jefferson derailed that.
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And he was a SENIOR.
Proving my point for me. I'm just saying give Harris a fair shot. He should be judged by his numbers as a Junior and Senior. He went from last year getting blown out by Auburn to guiding a 9-3 team with a young team all around him. This was not our year to win the Natty...next 2 years will be the ultimate judge.
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:43 pm to OU812
Yeah, Deshaun Watson was also the #1 rated QB coming out of high school according to ESPN. Not that it's an excuse for Brandon Harris, but for some QB's it just takes a little longer. Also there are only 3 teams in the top 15 that have an underclassman staring QB. I don't absolve the coaching staff from responsibility, but in answer to the OP, yes it does take time.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:44 pm to beauchristopher
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and spare me the SEC competition. the SEC isn't any where near what it once was right now.
Yeah. I suppose the defenses are still better than most of the rest of the country but the SEC teams as a whole are not very impressive
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:48 pm to tigereye58
This msg has many truths but many dreamers too... who cant wait for development.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:51 pm to tigereye58
This is a RIDICULOUS notion.
So what, we have to wait around developing a QB that can keep us in contention for 1 out of his 4 years playing? And what if something happens in year 3? Are we out for 4 more years?
Why am I asking these questions? we have seen this pattern repeated time and again. The offense that Les has allowed to take over is so complicated, confusing, and ridiculous that no QB can be held accountable for not performing well in it. Les has not put any work into his offensive scheme- he just keeps adding things in and neglecting the fundamentals.
If you don't believe me, then why are we all jumping up and down everytime Harris completes a pass. This is how it has been for many years now and will continue until Miles is gone.
So what, we have to wait around developing a QB that can keep us in contention for 1 out of his 4 years playing? And what if something happens in year 3? Are we out for 4 more years?
Why am I asking these questions? we have seen this pattern repeated time and again. The offense that Les has allowed to take over is so complicated, confusing, and ridiculous that no QB can be held accountable for not performing well in it. Les has not put any work into his offensive scheme- he just keeps adding things in and neglecting the fundamentals.
If you don't believe me, then why are we all jumping up and down everytime Harris completes a pass. This is how it has been for many years now and will continue until Miles is gone.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:55 pm to tigereye58
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Maybe awesome was too strong but he did develop and was having a solid season. Jefferson derailed that.
Wait, you've been defending Miles this whole thread, saying we can't have it both ways.
Then, you make the case that Lee was an awesome QB, and we were undefeated with him. Yet Miles benched him without explanation. And you blame Jefferson for this? So the coach that benched Lee deserves the credit for the great season, but no blame for benching the starting QB without explanation?
And you don't think you're trying to have it both ways?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:05 pm to Altair
quote:I think this is OPs contention.
So what, we have to wait around developing a QB that can keep us in contention for 1 out of his 4 years playing? And what if something happens in year 3? Are we out for 4 more years?
Easily LSU has suffered the repeated cycle of lack of QB recruitment and QB development. And it's not just Harris, Jennings. It's Mett having to be a savior, JLee and JJ, I'm surprised OP hasn't mentioned Perrilloux since he was Miles crowning signing in 2005. In 2005 LSU had JR for 2005/2006 and Flynn for 2007. Perrilloux gets every chance to not get kicked off the team, then does get kicked off the team. fricking Hatch started a game before getting knocked silly. Two freshman and a Harvard transfer behind a guy begging to be kicked off the team.
How does OP not see this?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:06 pm to tigereye58
I guess Urban Meyer just knows how to find a diamond or 3 in the rough. Or maybe even young QB's can be developed and put into situations to be successful.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:31 pm to 5Alive
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and is also running a spread where its much easier to run the offense. nice post OP
Sooo....with all due respect, wtf are y'all doing? Either recruit guys that fit your scheme, or make your scheme fit the guys you've got. The square peg isn't fitting into the round hole.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:41 pm to tigereye58
NO because SOME QBs are already developed THUS all QBs must be good by their freshman year or the coaches CAN'T DEVELOP QBS
if a QB isn't throwing for 2800 yards his first season he is GARBAGE
-the rant
if a QB isn't throwing for 2800 yards his first season he is GARBAGE
-the rant
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:45 pm to Festus
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Then, you make the case that Lee was an awesome QB, and we were undefeated with him. Yet Miles benched him without explanation. And you blame Jefferson for this?
Lol they're f*cking delusional man
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:46 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Did you just make up your own argument to refute against? Priceless.
NO because SOME QBs are already developed THUS all QBs must be good by their freshman year or the coaches CAN'T DEVELOP QBS
if a QB isn't throwing for 2800 yards his first season he is GARBAGE
-the rant
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:48 pm to drizztiger
I didn't make this shite up. That's half the fricking posts in this thread
But Deshaun Watson! but Jamies Winston! But Gunner Kiel (this was an actual example from another thread. nvm that the guy is a RS Junior)
But Deshaun Watson! but Jamies Winston! But Gunner Kiel (this was an actual example from another thread. nvm that the guy is a RS Junior)
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:49 pm to OU812
Yes but he has been there for two years also 
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:53 pm to drizztiger
All this stupid arse talk about LSU QB play is just freaking retarded.
I don not give a crap why LSU has been so piss poor at qb for most of the last decade. The specific reason in each case does not matter.
If you want to say it is coaching... fine it is coaching.
If you want to say they are young... fine they are young.
If you want to say they have no talent... fine they have no talent.
Point is regardless of the reason for the sucky arse play at QB the ROOT of the reason in ANY of the scenario's is it's the coaches fault. LSU coaches have failed to produce anything worth a crap at QB and it is their fault. Pick the reason you like the most and run with it.
I don not give a crap why LSU has been so piss poor at qb for most of the last decade. The specific reason in each case does not matter.
If you want to say it is coaching... fine it is coaching.
If you want to say they are young... fine they are young.
If you want to say they have no talent... fine they have no talent.
Point is regardless of the reason for the sucky arse play at QB the ROOT of the reason in ANY of the scenario's is it's the coaches fault. LSU coaches have failed to produce anything worth a crap at QB and it is their fault. Pick the reason you like the most and run with it.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:54 pm to beauchristopher
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teams get down to their 3rd string quarterbacks and look more efficient running the offense.
Who?
If you say Ohio State, you are a fool.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:55 pm to beauchristopher
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we need to establish a better system than waiting 4 years for good qb play..
we need to have quarterbacks in the system and READY TO PLAY by the time a guy graduates or leaves early..
this is the difference between us and more successful programs
I 100% agree with you
I posted in another thread that Bama hasn't had a QB younger than a 3rd year player start under Saban (except Cooper Bateman and he got benched and they lost that game)
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:58 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
The scheme is built for polished qbs. It took Mett 2 years to get the philosophy right.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:03 pm to ellessuuuu
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guess Urban Meyer just knows how to find a diamond or 3 in the rough. Or maybe even young QB's can be developed and put into situations to be successful.
He's had his share of bad qb play. Alex Smith never passed for over 3k yards under him and he had tebow. That's about it.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:14 pm to dgnx6
and John Brantley don't forget
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