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re: Can anyone name one QB that Ensminger developed or coached up successfully
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:53 pm to Geauxgurt
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:53 pm to Geauxgurt
These are all lies. He’s the best OC in the country. I can’t wait to see this exceptional coordinator do work. I’m just glad nobody wanted him the last 20 yrs to be an OC because he’s ours. I’m sure it was tough for Ensminger to chose between all the OC job offers but we got our man
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:19 pm to Tiger Ree
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Slinger
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Slinger
Is this a thing now?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Please note everyone what O did as as a Head Coach from 2005-2007 was totally irrelevant in evaluating him as HC after the 2016 season. But SE developed 1 QB 25 years ago, and improved the Aggie offense from the 60s all the way up to the 30s 22 years ago!!!!!! totally relevant. We coming!!!!!
Good Post
For what it's worth... It is relevant.
As usual the poster that your post was directed at had a predictable response. There is rarely a thread title specifically on Orgeron's Ole Miss head coaching failure. Most threads turn into O's failures at Ole Miss and that's where he (Ree) continuously declares its irrelevancy to O at LSU.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:38 pm to H-Town Tiger
None of that really matters if Steve E performs well at LSU. You can point to numbers and history all you like but the fact will still remain that O has appointed him to this job and will have to live with it.
If it doesn't work out, you all get your wish. I doubt he had the access to and resources back then that he now has. Coaches and programs were ran in a completely different fashion back then. Those coaches may have implemented their own plan for Steve to coordinate. No one truly knows the details that led to the average numbers. I know that in 2016 regardless of the competition, he called a decent game without much of a QB to speak of.
I'm not concerned about numbers as I am about simply scoring points, however we can, when the time presents itself. That's what LSU needs to work on is perfecting how to score TDs when we get near the EZ or RZ. If LSU can do that without getting scarred of making mistakes, we can get creative and make the defense cover the entire field. Perfect what we do so when the time comes, the offense is confident and ready to outperform the defense.
The last couple of years we haven't had much trouble between the 20's, it's when we get inside of them that we've slowed down. They also need to work on starting fast and not letting drives stall in key moments of the game. Defense needs to shut the opponent down when we have a lead to add to that lead. That's it really ha ha
If it doesn't work out, you all get your wish. I doubt he had the access to and resources back then that he now has. Coaches and programs were ran in a completely different fashion back then. Those coaches may have implemented their own plan for Steve to coordinate. No one truly knows the details that led to the average numbers. I know that in 2016 regardless of the competition, he called a decent game without much of a QB to speak of.
I'm not concerned about numbers as I am about simply scoring points, however we can, when the time presents itself. That's what LSU needs to work on is perfecting how to score TDs when we get near the EZ or RZ. If LSU can do that without getting scarred of making mistakes, we can get creative and make the defense cover the entire field. Perfect what we do so when the time comes, the offense is confident and ready to outperform the defense.
The last couple of years we haven't had much trouble between the 20's, it's when we get inside of them that we've slowed down. They also need to work on starting fast and not letting drives stall in key moments of the game. Defense needs to shut the opponent down when we have a lead to add to that lead. That's it really ha ha
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:46 pm to BayouBengal99
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None of that really matters if Steve E performs well at LSU.
Uh... No shite? These discussions center on his past performance in an effort to try and handicap how he'll do at LSU. Because this is an internet site devoted to discussing LSU sports.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:49 pm to BayouBengal99
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You can point to numbers and history all you like but the fact will still remain that O has appointed him to this job and will have to live with it.
I have to live with it, but i dont have to be excited or happy about it.
Which is exactly what i'm doing.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:52 pm to Geauxgurt
How many of you jack wagons trashing the coaches will be right back on the bandwagon if LSU has a successful season ?
I’ll give you a hint (All of you)
At least save the melt until afternoon the season, when the outcry will actually make a difference.
I’ll give you a hint (All of you)
At least save the melt until afternoon the season, when the outcry will actually make a difference.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:53 pm to Geauxgurt
What a jerk!
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:01 pm to Cadello
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How many of you jack wagons trashing the coaches will be right back on the bandwagon if LSU has a successful season ?
You know you have a staff with A LOT to prove when people perceive discussing a coach's career results as "trashing the coaches". Field a competent, efficient offense and go 10-2 and I'm all aboard. Is it so ridiculous in your mind to be apprehensive about O and Ensminger?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:04 pm to lsu2006
My point is, numbers, especially from so long ago really don't mean a darn thing bc we don't have any of the details of how the offense was actually ran. That's my piece to the discussion.
If you don't like it suck it. I really don't give a flip. It bothers some of you that I won't join in on your self advocating bias discussion about how we really have nothing to look forward to but past failures when none of it truly matters at LSU in 2018.
It's a different year, team, and program. All you need is the right buttons to be pushed with the right team and boom you have success. So I'll be looking forward to our success, while also knowing that things can also fail.
If you don't like it suck it. I really don't give a flip. It bothers some of you that I won't join in on your self advocating bias discussion about how we really have nothing to look forward to but past failures when none of it truly matters at LSU in 2018.
It's a different year, team, and program. All you need is the right buttons to be pushed with the right team and boom you have success. So I'll be looking forward to our success, while also knowing that things can also fail.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:06 pm to SportTiger1
I gotcha, nothing wrong with that my man.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:07 pm to BayouBengal99
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we don't have any of the details of how the offense was actually ran.
Pretty sure that they don't either.
Is this the first OC hire where we have no idea what kind of offense our OC runs?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:29 pm to BayouBengal99
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My point is, numbers, especially from so long ago really don't mean a darn thing bc we don't have any of the details of how the offense was actually ran. That's my piece to the discussion.
Cool. Well, other than stats from when he was last an OC running his own offense 20 years ago, we have literally nothing else to go off of besides vague platitudes from O and others who work/have worked with him. We are forced to look at stats and how they stacked up against the rest of that team's conference and the rest of the nation as our best indicator of the offense's success.
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f you don't like it suck it. I really don't give a flip.
Cool, man.
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It bothers some of you that I won't join in on your self advocating bias discussion about how we really have nothing to look forward to but past failures when none of it truly matters at LSU in 2018.
What? Self-advocating bias discussion? Are you playing word jumble or something? What else am I supposed to look at other than past performance to get an idea of what to expect from a coach? You better not pump up the record-breaking offensive performance against Mizzou when he was interim OC here. Because it doesn't matter. Right?
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It's a different year, team, and program. All you need is the right buttons to be pushed with the right team and boom you have success. So I'll be looking forward to our success, while also knowing that things can also fail.
You used a lot of words to say absolutely nothing here. I also will be looking forward to LSU football season because I love LSU. I also understand that failure and success are the two options. So I guess we're in agreement.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:30 pm to BayouBengal99
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It's a different year, team, and program. All you need is the right buttons to be pushed with the right team and boom you have success.
So you really think success just randomly falls out of the sky like that? No matter who we hire as HC, how unappealing his qualifications, none of that matters...in the SEC west? Fairy tales can come true.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:32 pm to BayouBengal99
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My point is, numbers, especially from so long ago really don't mean a darn thing bc we don't have any of the details of how the offense was actually ran. That's my piece to the discussion.
If you don't like it suck it. I really don't give a flip. It bothers some of you that I won't join in on your self advocating bias discussion about how we really have nothing to look forward to but past failures when none of it truly matters at LSU in 2018.
It's a different year, team, and program. All you need is the right buttons to be pushed with the right team and boom you have success. So I'll be looking forward to our success, while also knowing that things can also fail.
So experience, skill, etc. don't really matter for any job or position ever? That's kind of the end game with this kind of thinking that "pushing the right buttons" will build success? And it doesn't matter who pushes those buttons or what their "skill" is?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:39 pm to Cadello
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How many of you jack wagons trashing the coaches will be right back on the bandwagon if LSU has a successful season ? I’ll give you a hint (All of you) At least save the melt until afternoon the season, when the outcry will actually make a difference.
This is he melt after last season.
That was Os chance and he basically squandered an 11 win season coughing up loses to arroyo and ND.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 6:26 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I’m sure being fired everywhere he’s been had NOTHING to do with it?
chose not to be an OC...totally his call. By choice, man!
Posted on 4/10/18 at 6:26 pm to SammyTiger
Why are people complaining? In nearly all phases of life, past results are excellent predictors of future success. Is that always the truth? No, there are some exceptions, but in 99% of the cases, the fact is a track record proves to be reality and predict the future.
Ensminger has done nothing in his career to date to prove he will be an upgrade over his predecessors and in fact has a weaker history than most of them to support him.
Crowton's history proved to be true. Great offense with a senior QB that completely goes to shite without a previously groomed QB for him to take over.
Cameron's history proved to be true. He struggles to develop QBs at the college level that are young.
Jimbo's history has been proven at multiple stops. He continually developed QBs into top talents and performers at multiple places.
We have 1 example of Ensminger's success with QB coaching in over 30 years and the rest have been meh to bad and on average worse than LSU's supposedly horrible QB performances over the past 6 years.
The facts are what they are. This isn't manipulated statistics where you cherry pick stats to make your point. This is his performance over his career at multiple stops and he failed more times than he succeeded, yet somehow he's magically going to be better now?
At UGA he worked under Goff, who was an offensive coach and former QB himself.
At A&M, he worked under RC Slocum who was a DC and struggled to develop much efficiency with his passers.
At Clemson, he worked under Tommy West who was a DC, and again struggled with young QBs when he got them and was mediocre with the senior he took on his first year.
At Auburn under Tubberville, as OC/QB he again failed under a defensive head coach.
So if you look at history for him at FBS schools, he's failed under a Defensive head coach and his only moderate success (if you really look at the numbers) came under a former QB for a head coach that was an offensive coach.
So history states to expect a struggle on offense this year if you want to bet your money on it, because interim stints don't mean shite in reality.
Ensminger has done nothing in his career to date to prove he will be an upgrade over his predecessors and in fact has a weaker history than most of them to support him.
Crowton's history proved to be true. Great offense with a senior QB that completely goes to shite without a previously groomed QB for him to take over.
Cameron's history proved to be true. He struggles to develop QBs at the college level that are young.
Jimbo's history has been proven at multiple stops. He continually developed QBs into top talents and performers at multiple places.
We have 1 example of Ensminger's success with QB coaching in over 30 years and the rest have been meh to bad and on average worse than LSU's supposedly horrible QB performances over the past 6 years.
The facts are what they are. This isn't manipulated statistics where you cherry pick stats to make your point. This is his performance over his career at multiple stops and he failed more times than he succeeded, yet somehow he's magically going to be better now?
At UGA he worked under Goff, who was an offensive coach and former QB himself.
At A&M, he worked under RC Slocum who was a DC and struggled to develop much efficiency with his passers.
At Clemson, he worked under Tommy West who was a DC, and again struggled with young QBs when he got them and was mediocre with the senior he took on his first year.
At Auburn under Tubberville, as OC/QB he again failed under a defensive head coach.
So if you look at history for him at FBS schools, he's failed under a Defensive head coach and his only moderate success (if you really look at the numbers) came under a former QB for a head coach that was an offensive coach.
So history states to expect a struggle on offense this year if you want to bet your money on it, because interim stints don't mean shite in reality.
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 4/10/18 at 7:06 pm to SportTiger1
If by they you're speaking of LSU before they hired him, I'm sure they had some idea of the details.
O is the head coach, he thinks that he can do the job and that's good enough for me at this time. Like I said I really don't care if LSU puts up video game like numbers, as long as we are efficient
O is the head coach, he thinks that he can do the job and that's good enough for me at this time. Like I said I really don't care if LSU puts up video game like numbers, as long as we are efficient
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