re: Can anyone confirm lsu basketball loses scrimmage to Tulsa?

Well no but if the years we lost to those shitty teams were years we won 9-12 games it might portend something.

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MM was a lazy and dumb hire.

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LSU was potentially going on probation and has not been a historically great basketball school. There weren’t any big time coaches beating down the door to come here. McMahon was always going to be a bridge coach. Just chill out. It’s not gonna be fixed overnight. You need to lower your expectations. Comparing McMahon to either Brian Kelly or Kim Mulkey is a fool’s errand. Kelly is one of the winningest active coaches in college football. Mulkey is a hall of famer who was able to completely overhaul the team just by attaching her name to the program. It’s just not a fair comparison.

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But no reasonable person should expect even a mediocre season. This is a complete rebuild.

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You do realize that it doesn’t take 4 years to build a basketball team… right?

In year two, our women’s coach and baseball coach won a championship. Our football coach brought a 6 win football team to the SECCG. Our men’s basketball coach is expected to be less than mediocre in year 2

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MM was a lazy and dumb hire.

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It actually seemed like a good hire at the time considering the circumstances. Most people on here liked the hire. But the product was atrocious last year and I think McMahon is way too mild-mannered to be a good fit here without putting a really good product on the court.

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It actually seemed like a good hire at the time considering the circumstances. Most people on here liked the hire.

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I would agree on both counts.

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But the product was atrocious last year

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I would agree here, in fact IMHO we underachieved even amid the circumstances that everyone points out and everyone knows about.

We are picked to finish 13th this year, we need to overachieve IMHO to show some sort of progress, and finishing better than 13th is a very low bar for overachievement, then finish filling out what is a surprisingly good recruiting class and get a good player or two in the portal and if we don't make significant progress in year 3, time to think about a change.

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2nd yr coach replaced the whole roster. Guy from La tech

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Yes. Tulsa significantly overhauled their roster from last season. Something many fans, including several in this thread, don't seem to get is that basketball rosters can be COMPLETELY turned around in just one offseason.

Three years ago Iowa St. went 2-22 (0-18). The very next season with a completely new roster they went 22-13 and reached the Sweet 16.

Kansas St. had three straight losing seasons. Then Jerome Tang came in last year, completely overhauled the roster (with more new players than LSU last season), and went 26-10 with their season ending 4 points short of reaching the Final Four.

Now, I'm not saying this year's Tulsa team will be great. But in today's college basketball world the 5-25 record last year can be largely meaningless because this year's team is a completely different team. Sure, it is a bit disappointing to see a loss to a team picked to finish in the bottom 1/3 of a second tier conference. But remember, it is a scrimmage. Winning the game is not the top priority. Scrimmages are the time coaches want to try different line ups, rotations, etc so they can hopefully get a better idea ahead of the season of what may or may not work.

If LSU comes out and loses (or even struggles) vs Miss. Valley St and Nichols to start the season there may be reason for a bit of concern. But I'm not overly concerned about a loss (or a win) in any scrimmage. That is a practice tool, not a game. And coaches approach them differently.

We had the 15th ranked class last season and look how that turned out.