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re: Cam on noticeable changes this year

Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:12 pm to
Thats why BilJ.....you ma baw.....

Excellent bump...........
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64080 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:18 pm to
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but the infuriating part is the staff's inability to see or recognize this. This is who Harris is, Saturday's piss poor showing should not have been surprising to any of them.....and yet here we are.


Etling will not do shite. You don't get props from me because its not a QB issue, its a system issue. All the way around.
Posted by 8TRACK
7hrs 26min from Tiger Stadium
Member since Feb 2011
158 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:19 pm to
I saw it, our passing game Is dead.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162084 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:19 pm to
I guess our staff has the same attitude as some on the board, thinking it'll just magically click one day and he'll get better. Blame Les, blame CC, or blame harris.....Regardless its beyond clear he isn't going capable of leading us to winning anything of note.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31960 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:21 pm to
The ole "we just need to execute better" excuse.



The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162084 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:22 pm to
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it. You don't get props from me because its not a QB issue, its a system issue. All the way around.


The system is dog shite, I admit as much.

But if they insist upon sticking with their philosophy than Harris is not the guy to run it. He isn't capable of doing the things you want or need him to do.

I'm not contending that Etling is a world beater or the answer to our QB woes.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33245 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:24 pm to
oh, what a beautiful and well-crafted bump.

cheers to you sir.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162084 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:41 pm to
potential backfire if etling gets thrown in and is just horrendous
Posted by setinways12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
989 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:46 pm to
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Etling will not do shite. You don't get props from me because its not a QB issue, its a system issue. All the way around.


I agree somewhat....from what I've heard Etling is by far more accurate....which in turn is far more important than a big arm.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296426 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:47 pm to
Harris isn't getting better.

I don't trust the staff to play the best QB. The best player might be down on the depth chart.
Posted by Skin
Member since Jun 2007
6386 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:49 pm to
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Regardless its beyond clear he isn't going capable of leading us to winning anything of note.


Yeah, let's just completely throw the towel in our 3rd team All-Sec QB after one bad performance
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162084 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:50 pm to
basically.....

We're insisting upon driving an old shitty car but trying to run it with a boat engine. I think the car is a piece of crap and not worth driving, but if you insist upon doing it at least run it with an engine that allows it to function...somewhat.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31151 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:50 pm to
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Yeah, let's just completely throw the towel in our 3rd team All-Sec QB after one bad performance



sometimes the jokes write themselves
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72001 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:50 pm to
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3rd team All-Sec QB


quote:

after one bad performance


This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 3:51 pm
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162084 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:51 pm to
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on our 3rd team All-Sec QB



quote:

after one bad performance


Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:52 pm to
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really don't know why people don't believe Harris will be better. Even if our scheme stayed the same passing would improve based solely on his experience




LOfrickingL
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170618 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:54 pm to
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spread elements already in offense just can't be executed by players against better teams...


So we installed spread elements of the offense so we can beat up on the cupcakes?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:56 pm to
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Etling will not do shite. You don't get props from me because its not a QB issue, its a system issue. All the way around.


Says who? Look, the system is, has been (in spit of the Mett/Landry/Beckham bump), and will continue to be shite under Miles. Saban rolled the safeties up to crowd the box in 2007! I know because I bitched about it then when we still ran into a stacked box! Saying BH will improve though is not something I'm ready to say though. I don't think he can read a defense at all. He seems to have option one, or none. IMHO, he is not now, nor has he ever been a pro style quarterback. He is a round peg in a square hole. As far a being a dual threat QB, I feel he is only that rolling to his right. He is garbage rolling left and trying to connect on a pass. In short, I feel we are limited at that position. I still say go with a type of spread option (like the old freeze option Syracuse ran with McNabb). Nothing will change though. This sucks arse!
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:57 pm to
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More passing in walk thru practices, spread elements already in offense just can't be executed by players against better teams...


Cam and Les are clearly coaching the wrong sport.

They need to be coaching where the average lead time before a player contributes to your team is like 7 years.
Posted by Silvermoon_WhereRU
Member since Jun 2016
2399 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:58 pm to
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Let's just look at offensive passing rankings. You can pick in category...passing yards per game, passing yards per season, passer rating, completion percentage, efficiency,....outside of one season LSU has ranked in the triple digits in all of these categories since 2008.

LSU's inept passing has kept them from winning championships.

Now you can put the passing game in a box and say all the problems are because of a lack of a returning starter. But the truth is this, that Jennings improved so much his second year that he was benched for a below average young qb in Harris. Jefferson improved so much that there was qb controversy his entire qb career at LSU, Lee improved so much that he couldn't beat out one of the worst QB's in modern history at LSU. You can grasp at straws with Mettenburgers second year as the lone QB that les recruited and developed that was successful. But the truth is he hit the jackpot wit the talent that year and he still couldn't win a championship with that.

The true measure of coaching ability in my opinion is when a coach has to make it work with less than stellar talent. Ole Miss has done that at QB recently, Bama has done it with multiple QB's, UF did it last season, why can't LSU do it outside of when they had an NFL QB that was throwing to two NFL all pros and handing off to a feature NFL back? LSU has done it before. They won a championship with Mauck, they won a lot of games with Randall.

This staff has flopped on talent evaluation, recruitment, development, and scheme when it comes to the QB. That's the only way you get the consistent triple digit passing rankings in almost every measurable category.

But you keep blaming it on needing a returning starter. If that was the case and the staff is profficient at developing the QB why is Jennings gone and not entering his third year as the starting QB?


Good post from April, to add to it...
the very fact that LSU doesn't offensively trust the pass or develop an attacking mentality for the QB when it comes to the pass is because of fear of turnovers. This didn't seem to exist prior to Lee in 2008. It was obvious in the 2013 loss to Ole Miss as the take-away from that game was that they wished they had a few of the calls back referring to Mettenberger throwing 3 picks. That 2013 Ole Miss game, the majority of the Rebs defensive team was missing, we had NFL talent at the skill positions and on the OL, and the take-away was we shouldn't have thrown the ball that much.

The mentality of the fear of turnovers leads to the shitty offensive design which leads to the shitty passing rankings. Which team in the country is going to throw the ball on average 20 times a game and get 250yds? Miles wants safe, high percentage completion throwing the ball 20 times per game. 2009 Florida was the same with their corners knowing Jefferson would never attempt a pass longer than 7yds downfield.

You are clearly never going to get anything different with Miles running the helm.
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