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re: Cajun Country Beams with Pride over Orgeron being hired as LSU head coach
Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:24 am to SCwTiger
Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:24 am to SCwTiger
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FTR I'm a La Tech graduate that has been to 90% of the home games at LSU. Just don't understand the hate for the O hire. We got what we got and there is a pretty damn good staff in place to replace the Stone Age football we've had to watch.
This thread is the last gasp for the O haters to vent. Live with the choice and try to enjoy LSU football.
Good post. Several pages ago I asked the NegaO's to give reasonable argument why O is so bad - not a legit response yet. Besides Herman who else was available that was reasonable? To state O wasn't even in contention is ludicrous. Ask any USC fan who they wanted as Coach when they passed on O. With O our recruiting efforts will get stronger once the staff is established. All in for O.
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 5:27 am
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Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:58 am to Bayou
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Several pages ago I asked the NegaO's to give reasonable argument why O is so bad - not a legit response yet.
His record at Ole Miss is a legitimate argument, and concern. How about the fact that not one single university that was hiring had him on their wishlist of candidates? How about the fact that he clearly couldn't get the job done against UF in Tiger Stadium?
How about the fact that Joe had an enormous head start in the coaching search, and only had three candidates on his radar, and made a half-assed attempt at hiring two of them, as if he was going through the motions in order to placate the fan base when it was O all along, because the T-shirters thought he talked like them, and he eats gumbo?
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 7:10 am
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:01 am to beauxroux
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Being the interim pushed O to number 3 on the list.
Obviously...but not because it SHOULD HAVE.
Look...as soon as Orgeron started acting like he was the new Head Coach of the LSU fighting Tigers upon being tapped as the interim, my radar went off in a bad way. I got why HE wanted to do that, but the fact that Alleva wasn't VERY CLEAR from the get-go that Orgeron would NOT be considered as the full time replacement was the problem.
And here's why. Were it not for the fact that he got tapped as the interim, in no way EVER would he have been considered as the replacement...and I'm talking 1999 level LSU football, not 2016 level with 2 national title, a third appearance and multiple SEC rings.
Basically, Alleva, through sheer laziness or negligence allowed a completely unqualified guy to burrow into the position and then pretended that, what do you know, the best man for the job was always right there on the sidelines lurking as Les Miles' DL coach!
Seriously...frick all that. That should have never happened, and anyone not livid about that entire thing is not thinking clearly.
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When 1 and 2 declined-- what's the next number? You may not have placed O at the 3 spot-- that's debatable. But in the AD's eyes, O was the next best coach in line. Time will tell if AD made a good choice--
Again...for anyone honestly looking to replace Miles with what we all said we anted...a better, proven head coach, then this question makes no sense, because only in bizarro world would O been on any replacement list. Miles was let go after Game 4. But let's be clear, the list of potential replacements in it's earliest stages ought to have been started last fall, right? Joe Alleva should have had access to a chalkboard FULL of names starting with their dream candidates and going down, like a draft board. On THAT board, Orgeron's name would have never been. Frankly, the only way Oregeron should have gotten this job was sort of how Stoval got it back in 1980, as a stopgap remedy to a fiasco where literally no one else was available. To suggest that there were no other legit candidates out there after Jimbo and Herman other than our very own DL coach BEFORE bowl season even started is fricking absurd.
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How much longer will this debate go on?
This one is harder for me. I supported Miles from day one and up until the Wisky loss. Even then, while I certainly liked the man and the coach, I felt his time had come. But it's hard not to remember all those fans who essentially felt he was wrong all the time... I'm not debating whether or not they were wrong. They were certainly wrong much of the time, especially those who were wanting the man fired after losing to TENN on Monday night in his first LSU home game in 2005. What I'm remembering is just how miserable they were much of the time, even while winning. I don't want to feel that way...I've loved LSU football since 1982 as a 12 year old. I don't want to be bitter about our prospects and despite what those who would rather argue with strawmen instead of actual people would suggest. I'd NEVER EVER hope for an LSU loss, even if it meant eating crow on my part. But I'd be lying if I said that this didn't feel like the beginning of a VERY dark time for LSU football. And as someone pointed out fairly early, given his ability to enlist local media into his camp and the perceived groundswell of support because of his heritage, I tend to think it'll be VERY VERY hard to remove him or to judge his success or failure with honest eyes. There's no way his seat gets hot with Miles' level seasons, and given everyone has been unhappy with that for the last few years, that hard to imagine. It'll take sub .500 seasons to get this done...which turns my stomach given where we've just been.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:15 am to GeauxTigerTM
YAW YAW
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:48 am to GeauxTigerTM
I think you would agree these are all points that have been argued ad nauseum. I want excellence for LSU. I want LSU to be the top program and university. However, as one poster eloquently put it-- "Howling at the moon" will not change that now. So, even though O was not my choice, I will judge him by what he does at LSU.
And don't be so sure about the fickle media. They turned on Stovall in a hurry and he was one of "our own"-- former player and 2nd in Heisman voting. Media and fans will turn on O if he does not produce teams that compete for SEC titles and NC.
At his very moment, plenty to cheer-- good coaches on both sides of the ball, what is looking like a good recruiting class, and some positive momentum going into bowl game. We have no choice but to see how it plays out.
And don't be so sure about the fickle media. They turned on Stovall in a hurry and he was one of "our own"-- former player and 2nd in Heisman voting. Media and fans will turn on O if he does not produce teams that compete for SEC titles and NC.
At his very moment, plenty to cheer-- good coaches on both sides of the ball, what is looking like a good recruiting class, and some positive momentum going into bowl game. We have no choice but to see how it plays out.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:55 am to ipodking
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Cajun Country Beams with Pride over Orgeron being hired as LSU head coach
Can't wait to see the doubters faces when O is successful
Start jotting em down now because they'll never admit it when it happens. 'I've always been behind the Tigers...' 'Oh, well have you?'
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:22 am to lsutigermall
Are you truly unable to discern the difference between disapproving of the HC hire and being "behind the Tigers"?
Really?
Really?
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:23 am to Space Cowboy
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Nonetheless, who else was their to hire as qualified as Orgeron?
So besides Jimbo and Herman, there was no one else in all the country as qualified as O???
The level of stupidity in that statement is mind-blowing.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:34 am to Damone
Based on what they say lol
Bruh he was a head coach in the sec before
Bruh he was a head coach in the sec before
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:21 am to beauxroux
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I think you would agree these are all points that have been argued ad nauseum.
Not entirely, no. While I'd agree it's been said hundreds of times, there are SOME THINGS which are so blatantly obvious that to not have nearly universal agreement about them is a real issue. In this case, the fact that Ed Orgeron would not have been a legit candidate for any other Power 5 conference program and should not have been one for LSU unless and until he had shown, somewhere else, that he had actually learned from his mistakes and had led a smaller school to success as a head coach (not interim) is the biggest one. Can you imagine the outrage, and it would have been 100% legitimate, had Joe Alleva gone out and hired someone else's DL coach to replace Miles after having had all season long to find a replacement???
Instead, we have people acting as if this is a legit hire and it's open for debate. The fact that people will argue about a thing does not, by itself, mean the thing being argued is "debatable." just that there is one side unwilling to accept a fact. Hell...there are still some who will debate heliocentrism, but are we really going to suggest it's a debate because there are some idiots that won't accept the sun in the center of our solar system?
Whether or not Orgeon's LSU program will be considered a success or failure years from now is debatable. Whether or not Joe Alleva did his damn job, or whether or not Ed Orgeron should have been in the Top 10 potential candidates for this job most considered to be a Top 5-10 gig in America is not.
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And don't be so sure about the fickle media. They turned on Stovall in a hurry and he was one of "our own"-- former player and 2nd in Heisman voting. Media and fans will turn on O if he does not produce teams that compete for SEC titles and NC.
Huge difference here. Stovall was "one of us." Way more so than O, let's be honest about that. But...he did not, in any way, run a media campaign to help get himself the job. As memory serves, Stoval had to be talked into and was quite humble about having to take the gig under the circumstances he did. He didn't campaign for it, either behind the scenes or out front on the media. For all the talk about O being a dimwit, he sure isn't media dumb. there are a handful of local media wanks that are beyond being in his pocket (we can literally see some of them here popping up with new user names defending this shite), and so long as he keeps dolling out the perks that they seem to long for, he'll continue to be so. After all, it's a rare thing to have someone bite the hand that feeds them...and Ed seems to be feeding lots of folks. So if things turn, or hell...if they remain the same as they were when Miles was let go (remember, that was completely unacceptable to most LSU fans, right?) it will in my opinion, be damn hard to get public opinion to see it because local media will be doing his bidding as they did all fall long and keeping people ok with it. Under normal circumstances, a local media being THIS in bed with a coach would trouble people.
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We have no choice but to see how it plays out.
With this, I agree.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:28 am to CaptainPanic
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Jesus, that really makes South Louisiana look sad
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:29 am to LMfan
quote:Exactly. All the Debbie Downers in here are just absurd, like his family and friends are NOT going to be happy?
Imagine letting a human interest story tailored specifically for Christmas day get you mad.
Whether you like the hire or not this is just a nice feel good story for the Sunday paper. People close to O were happy to see him get the job. That's it, no reason to get upset about such a piece.
I'm from the same area, didn't like the hire, but that's not really relevant to that story, which was pretty cool to read.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:34 am to Damone
So this is what you people did on Christmas morning?
Posted on 12/26/16 at 10:52 am to nitwit
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Are you truly unable to discern the difference between disapproving of the HC hire and being "behind the Tigers"?
Really?
Just having fun...Don't get all worked up.
More poking fun at the generational bias(s). The thought of 'if you support your country, you support your president' or 'if you support your school, you support your coach' days are long gone.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 11:30 am to lsutigermall
I don't think that's generational, Tigermall...
There have always been people who have never been able to separate allegiance and respect for the ad institution and allegiance and respect for individual leaders.
And, in this case, I respect Da Coach O, but do not think he is qualified to be HC at a major college football program.
There have always been people who have never been able to separate allegiance and respect for the ad institution and allegiance and respect for individual leaders.
And, in this case, I respect Da Coach O, but do not think he is qualified to be HC at a major college football program.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 11:55 am to Mo Jeaux
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I'm pretty sure that would be "on" the sideline, and I'm also pretty sure no one thinks they know more about football than O
Speak for yourself. Ive ran as many successful programs as O.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 12:00 pm to Damone
We definitely are the school of moral victory and feel good stories.
I personally miss winning at all costs.
I personally miss winning at all costs.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:19 pm to Melvin
I would admit that it helped BUT I don't give a damn if Orgeron was born with Tiger stripes without this interim job he did and all the moves he made paying off he would NOT have gotten this job PERIOD. The job he did with this team is what won him this job. That and the other two candidates playing games. I want a coach that wants to be here and there was no better guy for the job IMO. It's nuts to ignore what coach O did in his two most successful stints as HC then apply his most unsuccessful stint especially knowing that the negative stint was much longer ago then the last two positive stints.
I know some folks from Cali that had no clue that coach O was from Louisiana and wanted that man as their HC and I'm talking about USC alumni. When I told them that he was from Louisiana a few of them all of a sudden changed their tune strictly bc he's from Louisiana. Our own Louisianaians talk shite on our own people it's sooooo freakn pathetic. You guys are pathetic people.
I know some folks from Cali that had no clue that coach O was from Louisiana and wanted that man as their HC and I'm talking about USC alumni. When I told them that he was from Louisiana a few of them all of a sudden changed their tune strictly bc he's from Louisiana. Our own Louisianaians talk shite on our own people it's sooooo freakn pathetic. You guys are pathetic people.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:27 pm to Damone
It's nice that he's from Louisiana and all but it really doesn't matter where our coaches are from as long as they win.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:51 pm to BayouBengal99
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It's nuts to ignore what coach O did in his two most successful stints as HC
Prior to LSU, he's only had one stint as HC.
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