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re: Cajun Country Beams with Pride over Orgeron being hired as LSU head coach
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:15 am to Mr. Hangover
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:15 am to Mr. Hangover
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This board is really making me aware of why all of my other SEC friends say that LSU has the worst fans, some of you guys are pretty comical with your 'i told you so bullshite'
Truth. There are more than a few posters/"fans" on here who would actively root against LSU just so they can bring their I told you so, nanny nanny boo boo horseshite to this board.
This post was edited on 12/27/16 at 11:16 am
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Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:17 am to tigerpimpbot
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There are more than a few posters/"fans" on here who would actively root against LSU just so they can bring their I told you so, nanny nanny boo boo horseshite to this board.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:19 am to Goldrush25
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I'm disqualified from speculating
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Speculate: conjecture about a subject without evidence.
You are well-qualified. Continue on.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:23 am to beauxroux
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Speculate: conjecture about a subject without evidence.
Well then I misspoke. I'm not speculating because there is evidence. Coach O was hired. That's my evidence that this coaching hire was botched.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:26 am to Goldrush25
Bump.
Keep it going negative nancy
Keep it going negative nancy
Posted on 12/29/16 at 7:12 am to Goldrush25
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I want a coach that wants to be here and there was no better guy for the job IMO
I got the feeling Les did not want to be here anymore when he dug in his heels and didn't change a thing knowing his job was on the line IMO.
Is CEO the man for the job? We shall see. All I know is there is a new found excitement for LSU Football across Louisiana.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 7:22 am to Damone
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:55 am to Goldrush25
[quote]Goldrush25
Cajun Country Beams with Pride over Orgeron being hired as LSU head coach by Goldrush25
quote: Speculate: conjecture about a subject without evidence.
Well then I misspoke. I'm not speculating because there is evidence. Coach O was hired. That's my evidence that this coaching hire was botched.
[quote]
Uh, nooo. That's an OPINION, not 'evidence.' And your opinion is pretty much worthless to everyone on here but you.
The man destroyed 5 opponents, should have beaten another, and went toe to toe with the best team in the country and their refs into the 4th quarter.
He is one of the best recruiters in the nation and has assembled what looks to be a rock-star staff.
Give him a chance why don't you ?????
Jeezum crickets...
Cajun Country Beams with Pride over Orgeron being hired as LSU head coach by Goldrush25
quote: Speculate: conjecture about a subject without evidence.
Well then I misspoke. I'm not speculating because there is evidence. Coach O was hired. That's my evidence that this coaching hire was botched.
[quote]
Uh, nooo. That's an OPINION, not 'evidence.' And your opinion is pretty much worthless to everyone on here but you.
The man destroyed 5 opponents, should have beaten another, and went toe to toe with the best team in the country and their refs into the 4th quarter.
He is one of the best recruiters in the nation and has assembled what looks to be a rock-star staff.
Give him a chance why don't you ?????
Jeezum crickets...
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 8:57 am
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:13 am to MetryTyger
You can both support Orgeron and hope he wins big while still being critical of the total failure and ridiculous nature of the process that resulted in his hire. He got the job and deserves the chance to succeed or fail. He managed to bamboozle the athletic director and a large portion of the fan base into a job he would not have otherwise been given consideration for. Good for him, let's see what he does.
On the other hand, Joe Alleva is a proven failure and should be fired before another significant coaching hire has to be made, if not sooner.
On the other hand, Joe Alleva is a proven failure and should be fired before another significant coaching hire has to be made, if not sooner.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 10:21 am to Nix to Twillie
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ut this whole good ole boy "one of us" mentality makes me sick.
Why? Just curious. Are you that miserable of a person that you can't stand for people to be happy that one of their own is successful?
People like you make me sick. If you didn't like the hire, oh well you should have been more successful in life so that you could have been in charge of making the hire. Personally he wouldn't have been my choice, but he is the coach now. I'm not going to lose any sleep over a football coach or over people being happy that a local guy made good.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 10:43 am to ssgtiger
SSGTiger,
I haven't seen any posters who "can't stand for people to be happy that one of their own is successful".
As some point out, if Da Coach O was selected simply because "he is one of us", it really isn't much to be proud about...
But more to the point, I don't think anyone wants the program to suffer for years because we selected the an unqualified candidate by reason of Cajun affirmative action.
I join those who think he was not qualified. But I hope he proves me wrong.
I haven't seen any posters who "can't stand for people to be happy that one of their own is successful".
As some point out, if Da Coach O was selected simply because "he is one of us", it really isn't much to be proud about...
But more to the point, I don't think anyone wants the program to suffer for years because we selected the an unqualified candidate by reason of Cajun affirmative action.
I join those who think he was not qualified. But I hope he proves me wrong.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 11:10 am to nitwit
Truth is most head coach hires are considered failures. So, the people who think the hire was a wrong move, have a good chance of ultimately being right. What gets me is the people who refuse to acknowledge the "legitimacy" of the process. Coach O was not my choice. And I know all the reasons he was not: (1) not successful at his only other full-time gig; (2) never a coordinator; (3) zero points against bama and (4) Fla loss. But, at the same time, one needs to acknowledge his successes, namely: (1) successfully taking over and changing the culture of two big-time programs as an interim coach; (2) setting offensive records in 4 or 5 games; (3) beating the hell out of Fla in every category (EXCEPT THE ONE THAT COUNTS) but turnovers in critical places killed lsu; (4) making LSU enjoyable to watch; (5) bringing excitement back. While I didn't agree, I can see where he was 2nd or 3rd choice behind Fisher and Herman and not because he "is one of us", cooks gumbo or talks with a thick Cajun accent.
Those 2 coaches were not coming here-- fisher after the debacle last year and Herman after the UT job opened up. So, while he would not be my 3rd choice, I can acknowledge he was Alleva's 3rd choice with reason. And he has made good moves since being hired: (1) he maintainted Aranda on staff; (2) he hired Canada; (3) he has held together and/or improved a recruiting class-- no easy task for incoming coach-- See Herman at UT; and (4) fired Peveto.
Like it or not, he is the coach... and complaining about it more than a month later, is not "acceptance of mediocrity", it is acceptance of reality. Let it go for now and if Coach O fails, then complain again..... but don't put the cart before the horse.
Those 2 coaches were not coming here-- fisher after the debacle last year and Herman after the UT job opened up. So, while he would not be my 3rd choice, I can acknowledge he was Alleva's 3rd choice with reason. And he has made good moves since being hired: (1) he maintainted Aranda on staff; (2) he hired Canada; (3) he has held together and/or improved a recruiting class-- no easy task for incoming coach-- See Herman at UT; and (4) fired Peveto.
Like it or not, he is the coach... and complaining about it more than a month later, is not "acceptance of mediocrity", it is acceptance of reality. Let it go for now and if Coach O fails, then complain again..... but don't put the cart before the horse.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 11:26 am to MetryTyger
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Uh, nooo. That's an OPINION, not 'evidence.' And your opinion is pretty much worthless to everyone on here but you.
Well, he was hired. That is a fact.
His career record is 21-29. Another fact.
If you couple that with the idea that LSU was widely considered to be a top 5 or even top 3 job, then settling on a coach with that career record, that's a failure.
I'm fine with whatever people think Coach O's going to do from this point on. I am giving him a chance, but I won't be convinced that he was hired through a thorough and diligent hiring process
Posted on 12/29/16 at 11:34 am to Space Cowboy
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Herman wasn't coming no matter what.
How do you know this?
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:54 pm to Tiger Ree
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Too bad you ruined a great post with the above stupid statement. So if in the next few years CEO wins the SEC and makes the playoff you will say "Well, he still shouldn't even be the coach because Alleva didn't do his damn job?"
Obviously, yes. A broken clock is right twice a day.
Even if Orgeron turns out to be the best football coach in the history of football, it will NEVER make the hire a smart one or the search legitimate. It will mean we fell assbackwards ACCIDENTALLY and for all the wrong reasons into success. Won't mean I won't be happy with the results, but I'd be lying if I said it would mean that I's suddenly rethink the complete dumbassesry that was this "search."
Put another way, you don't get credit for doing a smart thing if the dumb thing you did happens to work out.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:27 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Obviously, yes. A broken clock is right twice a day.
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Even if Orgeron turns out to be the best football coach in the history of football, it will NEVER make the hire a smart one or the search legitimate.
OR. . . Could mean Alleva saw something you didn't? Just saying.
I'll let the record be the standard by which the hire is judged. Anything else is just too damn subjective and speculative.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:01 pm to beauxroux
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Could mean Alleva saw something you didn't?
Given Joe Alleva's track record as both an administrator and point person on hiring coaches both as his time as AD at Duke and LSU, I'm not sure I'd point to the possibility of Alleva being some soothsayer. I'm sticking with my broken clock theory if it's all the same...
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I'll let the record be the standard by which the hire is judged. Anything else is just too damn subjective and speculative.
And on this count we'll always disagree. The process was shitty, regardless of the outcome of it. Ed Orgeron, regardless of what his record may one day be at LSU, should not have ever been a legit candidate for this job. There is literally nothing on his resume that would have been enough for him to get a sniff of this job, let alone have people suggesting he was the best available option and #3.
If it turns out that he does exceptionally well, the only thing that would point out is that EVERYONE including LSU would have been wrong to pass on him...and even THAT would not be some indication that all parties would still not have been making the smart tried and true move to have passed when they did. Essentially, if it turns out that Oregon is some rare diamond in the rough it in no way suggests that from here on out we ought to be looking for rough diamonds...just that in this rare instance it some how worked out.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:21 pm to beauxroux
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I'll let the record be the standard by which the hire is judged.
Well even good coaches fail. That's part of the entire outrage here.
The odds are already against any coach succeeding in the SEC, especially now under Lord Saban's rule. Why the heck would you stack the deck against yourself by settling on a coach?
We don't have to wait for anything to say that it appears as if Alleva botched this hire. If somehow Coach O is able to hold his own, then we'll have to examine the circumstances that will have led to his success before we come to the conclusion that this was because Alleva saw something in him.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:10 pm to Goldrush25
All I know is 20 high rated LSU commit's thought O was the rite man for the job. And our own coaches like Ensminger, D Craig, Aranda, Randall thought O was the rite man for the job, but what in the hell do they know about coaching? All they had to do was asked genius's like goldrush25 and others on TD, then make the hire.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 7:47 pm to Goldrush25
How about this: Most people on here want to be positive about LSU football. Instead of constantly pissing all over everyone's excitement and punishing O with hateful words, why don't you haters put all your venomous vitriol on paper and address Alleva personally. Or call him on the phone. Or ask for a meeting where you can rant and throw a fit? If he's the subject of reproach, address it with him. We're just tired of hearing that shite.
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