re: BRPD releasing the Koy Moore bodycam footage this afternoon.

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Why is this an option but not using the facts from Moore’s perspective?

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Because they are police officers, and we, as a society, have agreed to give them a certain amount of authority over our lives.

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Moore’s tweet is getting dragged but it’s closer to the truth than what the cops out in their report, which was nothing.

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Moore is being dragged because his version of the story is a fiction. How much detail do the police need to provide for an interaction where they did not arrest or detain?

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Love the “if a cop shot me entering my own home I’d be ok with it. Their safety is important” crowd.

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Quote where I said that? You’re deflecting just as you have been this ENTIRE fricking thread. Let me clarify for your smooth brain: Any human with average IQ has enough self awareness to realize that innocent actions can look suspicious based on OTHER people’s perspectives. That knowledge allows people to react properly if questioned based on said perspective to ensure de-escalation if necessary.

You’ve dug yourself so deep you can’t even engage in rational conversation.

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Moore is being dragged because his version of the story is a fiction. How much detail do the police need to provide for an interaction where they did not arrest or detain?

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What do you think detain means? Was Moore free to go?

They stopped two members of the public and pulled their weapons on them. Maybe a line about reasonable suspicion would have been relevant in the report.

You want to give them authority over our lives but they don’t even have to justify it in their reports?

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You can use the facts that are presented in real time, from the officers point of view, during the engagement.

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The first responding officer pulls around to level where Koy is located and might have had maybe 3 seconds tops to observe any behavior before initiating the stop. He might have been able to see someone’s head but I really can’t imagine that at that time he would have reasonable suspicion that a crime was or about to be committed.

Now if he observed them standing around for a longer period of time or observed them sticking something into a tailpipe etc that could change the calculus. But how can you tell if someone is committing or about to commit a crime when you have only observed them for just a couple of seconds, behind a whole row of cars, near an access point to the garage, etc.

It’s possible that a judge could view this differently if this matter hypothetically made it to a suppression hearing, even considering the wide latitude officers are given for determining reasonable suspicion.

I'll try to simplify this as well as I can.

If a cop and partner are driving randomly around town ,with zero calls,meaning they are just on the clock but not on a particular call, and they drive past a person or pair of people and those people hide when they see the cops 9-10 times the cops will stop and ask them to come out ,if they dont come out then they will be aggressively telling them to come out. Then if the guy puts his hands in his pocket,the guns are gonna be drawn from the cops at that time 9 of 10 times.

Then,if you pull a gun on a guy,hes getting frisked which isnt a big deal and has happened to me everytime I was pulled over while on probation. Frisking isnt a thing to complain about.

So in conclusion, I'm someone who has a passion of hate towards cops,because most are dickheads and one had me remove the seats in my car so he could search it better . This was when I had nothing on me and hadn't been in trouble and wasnt on probation for years .
I just dont like them .never have.
But they didnt do a thing wrong here and as a white man ,I have been treated worse then that by cops. There is absolutely nothing that happened in that video that was done outside the limits of the officers training.
Language maybe.

Was moore claiming he was treated unfairly or treated unfairly because hes black?

If hes claiming unfair because hes black,then that's unbelievably laughable. Those cops would have treated them the same if they were white. I've lived it. They treat whites the same

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Those cops would have treated them the same if they were white.

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Yep, I have had an incident in which a firearm was pulled, I'm 100% convinced the cops were in the wrong, and I have gone on with my life. Feeding the racial grievance industry is a top priority of many though.

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Any human with average IQ has enough self awareness to realize that innocent actions can look suspicious based on OTHER people’s perspectives. That knowledge allows people to react properly if questioned based on said perspective to ensure de-escalation if necessary.

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Except you don’t agree with this standard being applied to cops who get to assume the worst of a situation and escalate it. Which is what actually happened.

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who get to assume the worst of a situation

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For their protection.

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and escalate it

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You mean deescalate since that's what happened. We've been over this. Cops who allow people to argue instead of complying are bad cops who let an already tense situation become worse. Good cops do what's necessary to get compliance as quickly as possible thus ending the situation quicker which is safer for everyone. It doesn't look pretty to you and I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but it's how it works in the real world. I wish, like you, we lived in a utopia where everyone acting suspiciously is free of any guilt. But we don't live in that world.

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I think he meant to say the other guy was unzipping my pants not the cops

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That's really what this probably was. Getting a handy from ol' boy and he thought he was busted.

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They started the confrontation off by ordering them to put their hands on the car and then pulled their gun almost immediately when they didn’t.

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This is good police work. Again, it keeps everyone safe even if it's uncomfortable.

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They didn’t start by explaining what they wanted or asking who they were, which is the first part of a Terry stop.

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Link? This isn't a requirement. Why did you make it up?