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re: BRPD releasing the Koy Moore bodycam footage this afternoon.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:32 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:32 pm to SammyTiger
Terry provides a 4th Amendment search exception for weapons if officer reasonably believes that someone was, is, or is about to commit a crime. Now you may be fine with people hiding behind cars in a parking garage in the middle of the night, but fortunately most perspective jurors in a 1983 action would likely give wide latitude to the officer's discretion that the totality of the facts in the bodycam/dash video were indeed reasonably suspicious. Simply, in other situations Terry stops have been abused, but based on the video I saw today, I'd take this one to the bank as being a righteous stop and frisk that would withstand legal scrutiny. Humorously, the fact pattern in today's video is (IMO) well within the parameter of the text you quoted but obviously didn't grasp.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 10:34 pm
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:35 pm to SammyTiger
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:36 pm to ell_13
I made it through two pages and didn’t see a single post that suggests the incident was fabricated. I’m going to skip the last 8 pages and use my privilege to confirm Sammy is full of shite as expected.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:37 pm to ell_13
Sammy was all up in that thread defending Moore for putting the cops “on blast.” 
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:38 pm to GoneFishing21
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You can have a stop based off reasonable suspicion of a crime.
And what’s the legal standard for reasonable suspicion? Because it’s more than a hunch.
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You can also have a stop that turns into a pat down if someone does not obey a lawful order and then reaches for an unknown object.
The lawful order was to put their hands in a the car, do you think the search wasn’t already coming?
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If they had evidence of a crime then they would have probable cause to charge him with a crime. That’s not the standard that had to be met and so evidence is not needed.
There was no reason to believe a crime occurred, was occurring or was about to occurs besides them hiding. That’s pretty weak grounds for “reasonable suspicion” especially not know of any reported crimes.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:43 pm to SammyTiger
This thread is an absolute embarrassment. What a bunch of assholes.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:47 pm to mmcgrath
Wait. What insults?
And how the hell were the cops supposed to know the ages of those “kids”???
And how the hell were the cops supposed to know the ages of those “kids”???
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:52 pm to SammyTiger
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And what’s the legal standard for reasonable suspicion? Because it’s more than a hunch.
Correct it is more than a hunch. It can also be based off of reasonable articulable facts that when considered by a police officer lead him/her to believe that someone may be or may have committed a crime. Each situation is different and often times courts will decide whether what officers did was reasonable or not. It doesn’t require evidence of the crime and is a lower standard than probable cause which is required for an arrest. Police can detain someone for a reasonable amount of time in order to confirm or dispel their suspicion.
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The lawful order was to put their hands in a the car, do you think the search wasn’t already coming?
I have no way of knowing and neither do you. It could be as simple as them wanting the hands visible since they were concealing their whole bodies just before this.
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There was no reason to believe a crime occurred, was occurring or was about to occurs besides them hiding. That’s pretty weak grounds for “reasonable suspicion” especially not know of any reported crimes.
It’s very strong grounds because it’s pretty easy to articulate that avoiding detection is a characteristic of someone who has, is, or is about to commit a crime. Also you fail to realize that the officers do not have to allow an ambush situation when they see people hiding. They can ensure their safety and give commands to the people to make themselves and their HANDS visible. That is perfectly reasonable.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:59 pm to GoneFishing21
So basically they grounds for their reasonable suspicion is that innocent
People don’t hide.
That’s about it.
Again, the lawfulness of this stop Is debatable.
People don’t hide.
That’s about it.
Again, the lawfulness of this stop Is debatable.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:09 pm to SammyTiger
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So basically they grounds for their reasonable suspicion is that innocent People don’t hide.
The reasonableness standard is that of a reasonable officer who utilizes training and experience. It’s not based off of your feelings which you clearly want to be the standard. Their training and experience would indicate to them that the people may be engaged in criminal activity. They do not have to know a specific crime was committed.
You want the exact crime they committed. Sorry that isn’t the standard, nor should it be. If we knew a particular crime was committed then they could be charged with it.
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That’s about it.
Time of day, hiding to avoid detection from police. Hiding behind a vehicle that could be potentially stolen or broken into. Police having prior knowledge of break ins at that garage regardless of receiving a new call on it that night. Hiding because you are trespassing and not supposed to be on the property. Hiding because you are a juvenile and out after curfew. Hiding because they were drinking underage and ducked behind the cars to get rid of alcohol. The list could go on forever. Your problem is that you don’t think anything is reasonable unless police know for sure that a crime has been committed.
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Again, the lawfulness of this stop Is debatable.
No, it’s not.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:21 pm to BowDownToLSU
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geez you didn’t have a real dad in your life, did you
What the frick you talking about, I had a great dad you douchbag. Because I don't think an idiot college drop out with tattoos up his arms should have full authority to point a gun at anyone he wants because he is "scared" you make the assumption I didn't have a real father? Did your real father curse at you and threaten you with weapons? And oh yea go frick yourself.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:24 pm to Srobi14
quote:So only you can stereotype is your point?
Because I don't think an idiot college drop out with tattoos up his arms should have full authority to point a gun at anyone he wants because he is "scared" you make the assumption I didn't have a real father?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:25 pm to GoneFishing21
The standard requires them to to specific facts they can contribute to that individual.
So again, if they didn’t have anything beyond hiding they can’t associate any number of reasons for hiding without evidence.
Reasonable suspicion is a totality of the circumstances decision, and the circumstances are slim here.
Again, police cannot just guess at a crime being committed. They have to have facts that lead them to think it is being committed by that person.
Here they just had two kids crouching.
Again, the facts matter not just the cops’s opinion and experience.
So again, if they didn’t have anything beyond hiding they can’t associate any number of reasons for hiding without evidence.
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No, it’s not.
Reasonable suspicion is a totality of the circumstances decision, and the circumstances are slim here.
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Time of day, hiding to avoid detection from police. Hiding behind a vehicle that could be potentially stolen or broken into. Police having prior knowledge of break ins at that garage regardless of receiving a new call on it that night. Hiding because you are trespassing and not supposed to be on the property. Hiding because you are a juvenile and out after curfew. Hiding because they were drinking underage and ducked behind the cars to get rid of alcohol. The list could go on forever. Your problem is that you don’t think anything is reasonable unless police know for sure that a crime has been committed.
Again, police cannot just guess at a crime being committed. They have to have facts that lead them to think it is being committed by that person.
Here they just had two kids crouching.
Again, the facts matter not just the cops’s opinion and experience.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:33 pm to ell_13
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So only you can stereotype is your point
No you can do whatever you want I'm white you idiot, my point is giving people nearly limitless authority and nearly no accountability is not a smart thing to do. Also this particular pig on video is an arse.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:33 pm to SammyTiger
Holy shite.
You are still fighting this.
You are still fighting this.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:35 pm to SammyTiger
WAFB has found students to comment that Koy was completely honest:
The journalist claimed he spoke with “several” students. But only two are quoted. And one is a close friend of Koy’s.
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“I remember seeing his posts after it happened and I didn’t get the full understanding of how it took place,” said Jordan Brown. “So, actually seeing the video, it actually hit home that it was a possibility he could’ve lost his life.”
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Brown said he actually went to the party BRPD was responding to at the parking garage on West Chimes Street that night. He said he’s not sure how he would’ve reacted if that would’ve been him instead of Moore in those videos. “It’s not something you expect to happen. I’m not sure how I would react. All I know is maybe in the moment, I may have asked him, ‘What are you doing?’ You know, trying to have a meaningful conversation, speaking to a human being. Just the thought of having a gun at my face and with no way to protect myself, I don’t know,” Brown added.
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“My initial reaction was a little bit of concern because I know him personally, I know what type of guy he is, and I know being in that type of situation for anybody is hard,” said Mignon Nelson. Nelson said while the situation is tough, she actually echoed the police chief’s words to the community. She said she doesn’t believe anybody was at fault for what happened but maybe this case could serve as a chance to start some hard conversations. “I wouldn’t say anybody was in the wrong. I would just say be more cautious of what you’re doing because at the end of the day, that’s somebody’s life at the other end of that gun. It’s not just an inanimate object. It’s a life, it’s a human, it’s a success that you’re sitting there pointing a gun at,” Nelson added.
The journalist claimed he spoke with “several” students. But only two are quoted. And one is a close friend of Koy’s.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:37 pm to SammyTiger
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Again, the lawfulness of this stop Is debatable.
It's fricking hilarious you've been bleeding about this all night. It's painfully obvious the body cams didn't give you the win you and morons like you were praying it would, so y'all are forced to cling on to this to keep the fight going
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:38 pm to SammyTiger
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The standard requires them to to specific facts they can contribute to that individual.
Late at night, two people hiding behind a vehicle to avoid detection from police in an apartment parking garage that, if not secure, is a target area for vehicle larcenies. People also display this behavior when they are at a place they are not allowed to be (trespassing). Those are facts. How many facts would you like? How many facts would meet your standard?
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So again, if they didn’t have anything beyond hiding they can’t associate any number of reasons for hiding without evidence.
Again, even if their was nothing else, cops have the ability to avoid ambush situations and give verbal commands to people who were attempting to hide. How would the police know they weren’t lying in wait for them? They don’t even need suspicion of a crime to take police action in that instance.
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Reasonable suspicion is a totality of the circumstances decision, and the circumstances are slim here.
Every circumstance is slim to you because you require proof of a crime.
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Again, police cannot just guess at a crime being committed. They have to have facts that lead them to think it is being committed by that person.
Having evidence that a crime was committed and having facts that lead them to believe that person committed it is probable cause. That’s the standard for making an arrest. Reasonable suspicion is much lower, as it should be.
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Here they just had two kids crouching.
Is that all they had? Next it’ll be just two babies playing in a crib is all they had. They didn’t know who they were, their ages (they’re adults by the way), or what they were doing.
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Again, the facts matter not just the cops’s opinion and experience.
No, facts don’t matter. Just your opinion does.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:41 pm to The Pirate King
Having watched the video, two things are clear: the first cop on the scene was a complete a-hole and Koy greatly exaggerated the situation.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:43 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Holy shite.
You are still fighting this.
To him, Koy Moore is a child victim of an oppressive police state.
The fact people keep calling him a kid is now getting sickening. He is legally an adult. Idiots like these are why we have let society turn college students into extended juveniles that have no consequences for their behavior and no sense of adulthood. Everyone calls these pampered athletes kids.
I got pulled over once for speeding. I am not black. Cop came up to the car told me all the usual. I decided like a naive person to reach for my cell phone (in middle console) only to have the officer put his hand on his gun and tell me to stop reaching for anything. You know what I did? I stopped moving my hand, and apologized explaining I was just grabbing my phone to tell my parents (driving in the other car with me) I had been pulled over and would be delayed.
I didn't hate on the cop. I was respectful and realized why what I was doing could be concerning to him. I didn't go around claiming profiling (even though I have likely gotten more profiled in my life than these "faux victim" players).
Cop said thank you, gave me my ticket and no one got shot or died.
Again, stop defending kids acting like victims when they were entirely to blame for the situation. Stop hiding when cops come and you don't have this issue. Stop filling these people's heads with the false narrative that cops are stalking black people to kill them, and maybe they will comply instead of acting like they had their lives nearly ended without doing anything wrong.
But of course you don't support that. You'd rather try and blame the racist cops that somehow ignored every other single black person at this party.
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