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re: BK is coaching his 21st season as a D1 HC without a NC

Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:06 pm to
Posted by FireawayLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2023
1717 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

Brian Kelly is a fraud and Woodward is also


Kelly. Took over program with 37 scholarship players. Still has Div 2 players playing on defense and a West ship and two 10 win seasons. So you’re wrong

Woodward. This just makes you look ignorant. National Ships in gymnastics baseball girls basketball. Please stop it’s just Bama why do you people do this to yourselves every year???
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20091 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:22 pm to
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I guess fans weren't as fickle back then.


Success was defined differently then. Beating our rivals (OM and Tulane) and getting good bowl bids made us successful. Mac struggled vs OM in the first part of tenure (2-7 in his first nine) but dominated Tulane.

There were only four major bowls then (Orange, Sugar, Cotton, and Rose). To make one implied a top-8 team. We went to five major bowls in Mac's first nine years but only 1 in his last nine.

Mac planned to implement the veer offense with Mike Miley at QB going into '74. But Miley left for pro baseball and we struggled for a few seasons. That pretty much signaled the end for Mac.

My dad, uncle, and the players all loved Mac. I wasn't as enthused. That said, he should be given credit for integrating LSU football. He did so masterfully.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20091 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:24 pm to
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Woodward . . . National Ships in gymnastics baseball girls basketball.


He will be judged on the BK hire more than all the others combined.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66508 posts
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:03 am to
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BK will never sniff a NC in his career. the guy just doesn't have the chops, personality, mentality and toughness. He is basically a fake and his stint at LSU for 7-8 years will finally prove that to the college football world.


If you have the ability to identify those who have the ability to win a championship, who should LSU have hired?
Posted by Ebridg3
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2016
2953 posts
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:35 am to
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If you have the ability to identify those who have the ability to win a championship, who should LSU have hired?


It's more of a contract issue. He didn't deserve such a big contract, but he's not even a top 10 coach this year in terms of performance on the field.

People continue to talk about 37 scholarship players, but go do an audit of other teams. They've had some of the same issues. Colorado flipped their roster twice and is higher ranked than us by the olayoff committee.

There's nothing anyone can say to dispute that. There's many coaches doing more with less.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52175 posts
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:38 am to
Hard to argue against the facts in the OP.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66508 posts
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:36 am to
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It's more of a contract issue. He didn't deserve such a big contract, but he's not even a top 10 coach this year in terms of performance on the field.


You can't judge a contract by one year, you have to look at the entire body of work.

You flavor of the week guys want to constantly point to a guy like Sonny Dykes in 2022 and then you forget about him the next year when he goes 5-7.

Cignetti is the 2024 flavor of the week.

quote:

There's many coaches doing more with less.


Name one and tell me exactly how exactly he's doing "more with less."

Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12630 posts
Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:31 am to
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Hard to argue against the facts in the OP.

Not really.

First off, it’s factually incorrect. There have been 3 coaches to win their first national championship after coaching 21+ years at the FBS/1-A level (going back 40 years, per OP):
- Tom Osborne
- Mack Brown
- Bobby Bowden

Second, I just checked. On average over the past 40 years, coaches with 21+ years and no titles have made up 3.06% of total FBS coaches. Meanwhile those coaches have won 7.5% of national titles 3 of 40).

In other words, a coach with 21+ years and no national titles has been over 2.5x as likely to win a title in a given year than a coach from the rest of the field.
Posted by Ebridg3
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2016
2953 posts
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:14 am to
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Name one and tell me exactly how exactly he's doing "more with less."


Ive already done this.

Ill throw a controversial one out there though. Beamer at USCe. He has a far better team at this point than Kelly does. If they played again, we'd lose.

Lagway is playing against us this Saturday. If UF wins, all you "Sunbelt Billy" haters will have no choice but to admit we messed up.

Also, and I'll post about it here in a minute, Andy Staples wrote an article that kind of nails this situation. This is ALL on BK at this point.
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
2020 posts
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:06 pm to
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What do you care how much we pay a coach? Not one damn dime of it is coming out of your broke arse pocket.
Ok thanks. I’ll call TAF and let them know.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66508 posts
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:27 pm to
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Beamer at USCe


He's .553 at South Carolina.

7-6
8-5
5-7
6-3

Are you retarded?
Posted by Flyingtiger82
BFE
Member since Oct 2019
1553 posts
Posted on 11/16/24 at 2:10 am to
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Not to be a dick, but you’re admitting you don’t know what to look for in a coach but you’re also adamant that you’re right that Kelly can’t win here?


Funny thing about message boards. Humor and sarcasm escape the shite out of people. Take a class in sarcasm, maybe you’ll understand my post was tongue-in-cheek. Have a Nice Day.
This post was edited on 11/16/24 at 2:35 am
Posted by Reagan80
Earth
Member since Feb 2023
1823 posts
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:56 am to
His record was built on beating powers like Navy, Temple, Duke, GA Tech, etc. he never had to compete in a tough conference. Sure he has a lot of wins, but those didn’t come by beating teams like Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee or Texas. That’s why I say he’s fraud.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66508 posts
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:13 am to
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His record was built on beating powers like Navy, Temple, Duke, GA Tech, etc. he never had to compete in a tough conference. Sure he has a lot of wins, but those didn’t come by beating teams like Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee or Texas. That’s why I say he’s fraud.


He has basically the same record at LSU though, before the Bama loss, he had actually been better at LSU.

His first two years at LSU have been better than his first two at Notre Dame.
Posted by Ebridg3
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2016
2953 posts
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:28 pm to
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Are you retarded?


You don't understand trends do you? His squad is better now, than BKs, and he started with nothing.

BK just lost game number 4.
Posted by CalRipkenJr
Denham Springs
Member since Jan 2007
1840 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:57 am to
Anyone still feel good about this clown ever getting it done? He's going to go from 6-1 to 6-6 in year 3 by losing the last 5 straight! When was the last time LSU lost 5 straight?
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