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re: Beth Torina...I would give her one more year and make her hire new coaches
Posted on 4/3/22 at 8:06 pm to ropesmoknrednek
Posted on 4/3/22 at 8:06 pm to ropesmoknrednek
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Yes and she was very....very, raw when she came in. But with her measurables, she should be further along than she is and should be the undeniable Ace of the staff. I do beleive if she was at Alabama or Florida you would see her potential show way more than it does now.
Kilponen came on late and her recruitment exploded her senior year in HS. She was down between LSU and Washington. She was very raw when she came in but the talent was always there.
But to be fair to Kilponen, all our pitchers look like they went backwards. Wickersham looked her best as a true freshmen and hasn't been as sharp since then.
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Posted on 4/3/22 at 8:34 pm to Tigerbait357
i have not seen or talked with emily turner in years now. classic pic LOL
we all warned for years now either dobson gets her fired or she goes down like les miles due to inability to look in mirror and make changes.
it is not looking good.
we all warned for years now either dobson gets her fired or she goes down like les miles due to inability to look in mirror and make changes.
it is not looking good.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 9:44 pm to Memphricabra
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I would give her one more year and make her hire new coaches. Program is stale. I think she has always had the same coaches.
I'd give her a 10 year deal. She's been great.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 10:00 pm to Tigerbait357
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Kilponen came on late and her recruitment exploded her senior year in HS. She was down between LSU and Washington. She was very raw when she came in but the talent was always there. But to be fair to Kilponen, all our pitchers look like they went backwards. Wickersham looked her best as a true freshmen and hasn't been as sharp since then.
It seems as though Beth likes to have all the pitchers be the same type of pitcher (drop ball primary pitch pitcher) this year I have noticed WAY more bad pitches in the dirt from Kilponen trying to throw drop balls. Yvette has said numerous times that Kilponen is learning the drop ball, isn’t it a little late to be trying to learn a new pitch? Kilponen was way better the last few years, seems as though learning the new pitch is making her fall behind in counts and regress.
This post was edited on 4/3/22 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 4/4/22 at 12:40 am to Memphricabra
I like her. Get a grip.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 5:16 am to bearhc
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Let's fire everybody every couple of months.
Just let Kim Mulkey coach softball too.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 5:18 am to Tigerbait357
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I think half the bitching on here Is unreasonable but I see nothing wrong with the OP's post.
She's gonna have to pull one out of her............. to be the coach next year. I got my own sauces on this one. She ain't fired, but she's in the portal.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 5:28 am to Memphricabra
I agree. It is the same coaches. One thing I thought that has not been mentioned is has Beth changed any of her strategy on calling pitches. I find the pitchers don't look as sharp as they once did. You can add that to batting also. 
Posted on 4/4/22 at 6:23 am to slowmoe
Dobson was the problem when she got here Dobson is still the problem
Posted on 4/4/22 at 7:23 am to Lsujacket66
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Dobson was the problem when she got here Dobson is still the problem
I will give HD credit in that hitting has improved some, but we are still lower-middle in the SEC. Looks good when you were dead last.
Beth’s staff seems like a clique. I feel after ten years, they have all reached the point they are just happy to be drawing paychecks. That starts at the top.
We’ve talked about Dobson, but what does Leftwich do all day besides coach first base? I just don’t see tangible improvements from this staff’s coaching.
At 3-6, we are in a hole. But if Beth has her usual season of finishing just below .500 in SEC, hosting a regional, and losing a Super on the road, she is likely safe because Scott Woodward has a lot on his plate. I doubt he even calls her in for a “come to Jesus” meeting.
Now if the ship keeps sinking from here, then Beth is in trouble holding her job for next year. This staff just seems to be riddled with stagnation, complacency, and cronyism.
This post was edited on 4/4/22 at 7:25 am
Posted on 4/4/22 at 7:28 am to Badcallagain
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isn’t it a little late to be trying to learn a new pitch?
nope. not sure if you have ever coached softball but you only need 3 pitches bare minimum. I try to get my pitchers to learn 6. 2 changeups and 4 breaking balls. many learn and work on new stuff all the time. pitchers are always a work in progress trying to get better.
I remember when Brittany Mack was helping me out with one of my pitchers years back and she had told me how she was helping baylee corbello learn a off speed curve. they're constantly trying to improve. Carly Hoover was working on new stuff with beth when she was here also.
drop balls are fabulous. I'd rather a drop go to the wall or hit dirt than a flat rise that gets jacked out the park. If you throw rise it has to break. catchers have to learn how to block drops if they break too low. same with changeups in the dirt. I am going through same crap with my catchers now.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 7:51 am to timlan2057
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Looks good when you were dead last.
yeah it was horrible before she took over in 2012. dobson brought it up some but here we are...
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Beth’s staff seems like a clique.
no argument from me. I really think she goes down with the ship les miles style. Woodward will have to can her when he gets enough underachieving. sad because beth is a good pitching coach and hands on coach. but we are stagnant at many other areas. she is the head coach so it lays at her feet. beth makes 430k a year.you have to be accountable. that is her job. people are fired from jobs all the time.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 7:56 am to Fat Bastard
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nope. not sure if you have ever coached softball but you only need 3 pitches bare minimum. I try to get my pitchers to learn 6. 2 changeups and 4 breaking balls. many learn and work on new stuff all the time. pitchers are always a work in progress trying to get better.
Exactly. Most pitchers at the SEc recruit level can throw 5, and probably 1-2 more variation pitches (drop curve, screw rise, etc). They may not all be tight and consistent with every pitch but they can. So if they are ‘learning a new pitch’, it’s more of refining a pitch that they likely already threw. My daughter is a HS pitcher (no pics).
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:00 am to Fat Bastard
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I really think she goes down with the ship les miles style. Woodward will have to can her when he gets enough underachieving. sad because beth is a good pitching coach and hands on coach. but we are stagnant at many other areas
Sadly I think this is the case also. Let’s not forget that this is a VERY young team (covid year helps) but I agree. I also think the same applies to Beth’s loyalty. She believes in tight knit family, and it’s the same reason she didn’t raid the portal. She’s loyal to her girls and recruits, just like her coaches. I really like Beth and hope she gets it figured out, but the SEC just keeps getting better and I feel like we keep sliding down the ladder further each year
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:33 am to ehidal1
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Sadly I think this is the case also. Let’s not forget that this is a VERY young team
Okay, I’m not dissing you, I’m just saying:
Isn’t that the excuse Beth offered in that excuse-filled press conference after getting swept last season by Florida State in the Super at home? This when FSU was playing more freshmen than we were?
When does the team get “experienced”?
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:54 am to Memphricabra
Now shes getting put on the hot seat?
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:08 am to Tigerbait357
The pitching hasn't keep up this year. She was a pitcher for florida. I wish they would pitch that freshman more. I also wish Beth would do a little more rah-rab for the team. Do a little hollowing and kick the dirt every so an so.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:28 am to timlan2057
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Dobson was the problem when she got here Dobson is still the problem I will give HD credit in that hitting has improved some, but we are still lower-middle in the SEC. Looks good when you were dead last. Beth’s staff seems like a clique. I feel after ten years, they have all reached the point they are just happy to be drawing paychecks. That starts at the top. We’ve talked about Dobson, but what does Leftwich do all day besides coach first base? I just don’t see tangible improvements from this staff’s coaching. At 3-6, we are in a hole. But if Beth has her usual season of finishing just below .500 in SEC, hosting a regional, and losing a Super on the road, she is likely safe because Scott Woodward has a lot on his plate. I doubt he even calls her in for a “come to Jesus” meeting. Now if the ship keeps sinking from here, then Beth is in trouble holding her job for next year. This staff just seems to be riddled with stagnation, complacency, and cronyism.
I’m a fan of Beth, she’s a great recruiter and one of the best pitching coaches in all of softball… however she’s failed to replace Dobson so she’s always had the same struggles vs elite competition… also just my opinion, but she hasn’t had the same fire and competitiveness since she’s had kids
Posted on 4/4/22 at 11:01 am to Lsujacket66
I did not really understand her decision yesterday to take out the freshman pitcher mid-batter to bring in Sunseri. Sunseri got out of the inning with 1 pitch when the batter made contact with a foul ball outside the batter's box. She then brings the freshman pitcher back in immediately to start the next inning and she was clearly not the same giving up back to back to back hits. I'm sure her confidence had been shaken by the decision in the last half inning. That decision and her decision to bring in pinch hitters in the later innings who had not "seen" the pitcher rather than go with batters who were about to see her for the 3rd or 4th time seemed odd. Especially when the pinch hitters did not have the batting average to warrant it. She seems to be pressing and making desperation type decisions.
This post was edited on 4/4/22 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/4/22 at 11:11 am to Memphricabra
There is nothing you parasites like more than firing coaches.
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