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re: Batting: Sanchez's Fault or Lack of Talent?

Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:16 pm to
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12347 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:16 pm to
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And it's amazing how many purple and gold glasses wearing motherfrickers let their overly sanctimonious LSU bullshite cloud theirs. Go ahead and quote a stat to counter that one. There's about 3 or 4 of you boxtards that exist in this world, and every last one of you seem to have found this website.


there is no better college baseball program in the country than LSU. we rolled through Regionals, and we're 1 game away from CWS. Take a prozac, drama queen.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:18 pm to
Go frick yourself and eat a bullet, a-hole.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30511 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:18 pm to
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So you're telling me that Sanchez has validated his presence in your mind? You really, honestly think that we should retain him, MOT?

Depends on how you want to view it. If your philosophy is to fire someone because you may be able to find someone to do the job better, sure.

If your philosophy is to fire someone for underperforming, then no.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:18 pm to
We've struggled the entire post season. It's not like I'm putting forth in-depth analysis. They've hit into more DP in two games then I've seen the last couple weekends. They haven't got a hit before the 5th in the past two games. We've struggled with RISP
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7362 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:19 pm to
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So it's Mainieri we need to blame for winning the SEC and having LSU as the #7 national seed? DAMN HIM!!!!


I think what PM has done with this talent is really good. But to blame Javi more than PM for our hitting is laughable to me. If you go position by position from 2009 team to this team, look at how many high draft picks were on that squad. We just don't have that talent on this team so be glad with what we are doing and don't expect Javi to work miracles.

People should be much more upset at all the base running screwups. Those are preventable.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:22 pm to
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MOT


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Depends on how you want to view it. If your philosophy is to fire someone because you may be able to find someone to do the job better, sure. If your philosophy is to fire someone for underperforming, then no.


No it doesn't depend on how I want to view it. It depends on how you view it. I asked you a question.

Beyond that, your framing of the question so as to make the possible options inherently rash and inherently rational while you basically dodge the question in the hopes you can frame my response is something I don't appreciate.

Just answer my question simply and directly or with context, nuance, and the typical excuse making demeanor you always seem to. But just answer, good sir.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12347 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:22 pm to
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Go frick yourself and eat a bullet, a-hole.


Scratch that, take 2 prozacs.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30511 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:28 pm to
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Just answer my question simply and directly or with context, nuance, and the typical excuse making demeanor you always seem to. But just answer, good sir.

My philosophy is that you fire someone for not getting the job done. Thus, he wouldn't be fired.

Now, what is your philosophy, and would you apply it to other coaches in the Athletic Department? Or does your obsession with Sanchez make it different?
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:29 pm to
I don't know about the prozac thing but I'll settle for 2 wins this weekend, along with a new hitting coach after the season.
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
40114 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:30 pm to
It's baseball bro, and the teams we've played have either won their conference or near the top and they've done that with good pitching. Do you think other fans go running to their message complaining of lack of talent or terrible coaching boards after gausman or Nola shuts then out?

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They've hit into more DP in two games then I've seen the last couple weekends.
They've hit into DP's all season long.

Not to mention pitching has never been easier since the NCAA switched to the BB Core bats.
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 4:32 pm
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12347 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:33 pm to
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I don't know about the prozac thing but I'll settle for 2 wins this weekend, along with a new hitting coach after the season.


better
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:36 pm to
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:40 pm to
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MOT


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My philosophy is that you fire someone for not getting the job done. Thus, he wouldn't be fired. Now, what is your philosophy, and would you apply it to other coaches in the Athletic Department? Or does your obsession with Sanchez make it different?


I would fire my Mom if she weren't producing. Dead weight on the payroll is a drag on the bottom line.

Sanchez has a job. He isn't doing it and he's had several personal issues in the past. There are numerous reasons that stretch from the personal to professional that necessitate his dismissal. It should have happened before now.

I came from commission sales. I'm results oriented. My motto regarding hiring and firing anyone in a business, and make no mistake LSU Baseball is a business at the end of the day, is stolen from UF AD Jeremy Foley when he fired Zook.

It applies to any business, sport, coach, life, etc:

That which must be done eventually must be done immediately.
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 4:41 pm
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30511 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:48 pm to
And what objective measures are you using to come to the conclusion he isn't getting the job done or producing?

Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5746 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 5:21 pm to
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And what objective measures are you using to come to the conclusion he isn't getting the job done or producing?


Perhaps I'm just blinded by my desire to see a change, but you simply cannot convince me that Sanchez is qualified to be the hitting coach at LSU or that he is doing a good enough job to justify keeping him around. Recognizing all the changes that have occurred and the factors that should be considered, I can't say that I feel good about Sanchez as the hitting coach moving forward.

If our only measurement is the team's average, then it would appear on its face that Sanchez has done well, especially compared to the rest of the SEC. But I don't think you can simply measure his effectiveness solely by the team's average or based on the conference. Rather, let's look at a number of different stats for the whole NCAA.

1) We are 56th in the NCAA in batting average, down from 36th last year. If you really start getting into the weeds, Rhymes is batting an entire 70 point higher than Mahtook did last year and yet our team BA is lower this year by 12 points. Despite Rhymes' performance throughout the year, overall hitting is down even more than some suggest because of Rhymes' heavy influence in the overall .291 team batting average.
2) Tied for 71st for walks drawn.
3) 33rd in total hits, up from 93rd. But 75% of those are singles and all extra base hits are down compared to 2011 even though we have 50 more hits and 300 more at-bats in 2012.
4) 80th in on-base percentage.
5) 43rd in scoring, down from 18th.
6) 28th in runs scored.
7) 137th in sacrifice flies.
8) 69th in slugging, down from 54th last year.

None of these numbers is particularly encouraging even given our apparent lack of talent. At the very least, it suggests we've been opportunistic (and dare I say, lucky) but not particularly consistent.

Again, as I've watched this team throughout the year, I've struggled to understand our approach at the plate, our overall hitting philosophy and whether we make adjustments. Further, I'm not entirely sure we have a full understanding of situational hitting and the necessity to change our approach given the circumstances. More times than not, it looks like we are just swinging rather than hitting for and with a purpose. Seems like we just repeatedly do the same thing over and over again and hope that we finally catch a few breaks instead of trying to change and adapt. This is on the coaching in my opinion and I just don't see any indication it will get better under Sanchez
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30511 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 6:12 pm to
Did you expect to see improvements in those categories after losing the anchor of the lineup? Even though the rankings are lower the actual numbers aren't drastically different.

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None of these numbers is particularly encouraging even given our apparent lack of talent. At the very least, it suggests we've been opportunistic (and dare I say, lucky) but not particularly consistent.

I think it means our approach and situational hitting/execution is better than you think. I just believe we as fans focus on the times we don't get the run home from third with less than two outs, etc and lose sight of how many times we're actually successful.


Posted by OU812
Michigan
Member since Apr 2004
13565 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 6:25 pm to
A shorter bat may be the problem?
Posted by tigerswin03
SAINTS / PELICANS FAN
Member since Jan 2009
4715 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 6:38 pm to
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Then who since PM took 2 years off and maybe still does.
you are talking out of your arse,you know nothing about baseball just look at your post history as evidence.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34203 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 6:38 pm to
It's Javi hands down! He's in waaaay over his head.
Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5746 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 6:51 pm to
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Did you expect to see improvements in those categories after losing the anchor of the lineup? Even though the rankings are lower the actual numbers aren't drastically different.

For a team returning essentially 6 of 8 position players, I didn't expect to see the noticeable decline we've seen this year. Last year for guys with at least 100 at-bats, you had 5 gives hitting above .300 with Nola at .296. This year, we have 3 with Ross at .298. Mahtook's anchoring of the lineup has been nicely handled by both Rhymes (who has 25 more hits than Mahtook) and Katz (who has picked up HR numbers). But outside those two, your only noticeable improvement this year has been Nola (with a .07 bump in BA) and Ross (up .75).

We've scored 5 runs or less 36 times this year compared to only 20 times last year. Runs are down by 1.2 per game (from 6.92 to 5.70). We have 64 more hits in 318 more at-bats this year and have only scored 7 more runs even though we've played 8 more games this year.

We've left 481 on base compared to 406 last year, struck out 39 more times and hit into 28 more double plays.

Those are pretty noticeable numbers.
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 6:57 pm
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