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TigerLaw40
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Basketball beats Nicholls 74-62 - Game Notes

WARNING: This is a long post, so spare me the TLDR crowd.

I checked and didn’t see a thread with a full write up of observations and I’m sure the one on the score board probably got overlooked with the football game on yesterday. For anyone that cares, here are my observations and a few other posts from LSU sports.

LSU was very limited personnel wise with Days, Reid, Pinson, Williams, and O’Neal all sitting and of course Miller being out for the season. That said, they just beat a very solid Nicholls team with basically the 2nd string and a walk-on.

- Eason was by far the best player on the court for the LSU and finished with 20 points. His athleticism showed in his rebounding and he displayed a relatively good handle for the ball at his size. Even led the break a couple times. His defense was solid, but definitely gets a little flatfooted at times and wasn’t quite the shot blocking presence I was expecting, although he did pick that up in the 2nd half at times.

- Gaines was Gaines. Had some wow moments getting to the rim and a few nice passes; but then had some head scratchers as well. However he did seem to settle down a little more in the 2nd half. His deficiencies right now offensively are not finishing in the lane/at the rim well, getting caught in the air or with nowhere to go at times on drives to the lane, and inconsistent outside shot. But he will give good minutes (and needs to) to relieve Pinson.

- Mwani didn’t quite flash some of the offensive skill that Wade has been pumping all off-season; but was solid and got better as the game went along. Had a good dribble drive to the middle of the lane to a nice pull-up jumper that he made in the 2nd half. If they can get consistent plays like that out of him, it will be great. Hustle and defense are still strong.

- Murray definitely has the blue collar mentality and hustles nonstop. If he can find his shot, he will be good offensively; but he was off today and had some poor shot selection at times.

- Colbert, I wouldn’t expect much from this year, which was my thought going into the season anyway. If LSU is playing against a team with a strong big man that has an inside game, you may see him some for defense; but don’t expect anything offensively from him. He’s big, but looked a bit lost and timid most of the day. He’s also too dependent on his height and doesn’t display a lot of athleticism or hops.

- Fudge is a freak. Guy’s athleticism is insane. He was jumping all over the place and moves like a gazelle. But he is young and needs development. Needs work on his body and ball control, and developing his post skills a bit more. But man can he rebound and out jump people. He’ll get minutes, but won’t be heavily counted on I don’t think because of his limitations right now.

Defensively the overall final score is probably a bit deceptive. LSU definitely hustled all game and was active, but they allowed wayyy too much penetration, especially along the baseline, which led to either easy shots in the lane, fouls, or kick outs to a deadly shooter for Nicholls. Not as many deflections or steals, which we are typically use to seeing with Wade’s teams. But there are some good building pieces there. They primarily used man, which they switched 1-4 on everything and sometimes 1-5 depending on who was in for both teams. Used the 1-3-1 a few times; but never used the 2-3 matchup zone from what I could tell. No pressing today, but I’m sure the limited roster numbers played into that.

Offensively, I’m not going to really take much from this game. With most their major pieces missing, it’s hard to get a sense for just how this team’s offense will operate. I haven’t looked at final numbers yet (if LSU even did them), but they appeared to shoot the 3 well. Idk if it will be the norm or was just a good day for him, but Eason showed great touch on his outside shot. If that continues and you throw in Days and Reid’s ability to also shoot the 3, teams will have a difficult time just sitting defenders down in the lane.

This team has a lot of fire. They were energetic, hyping each other up, and showed great intensity all just for a scrimmage basically. WORD OF WARNING: For those fans that hate Wade’s teams “talking”, especially like they did last year, then you aren’t going to like this team. They got under Nicholls skin several times and created some heated moments. There was a double tech late in the game on both teams. Eason was one of the biggest talkers.


TigerLaw40
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Box score link: LINK

final stats:

@TAR13ASON: 22p/15r/1a/3to
@EricDaGoat: 15p/3r/9a/1s/8to (yikes)
@MwaniWilkinson: 12p/6r/1a/2s/1b/2to
@Bmurrayyyy: 10p/2r/2a/1s/2to
@iam_AlexFudge: 9p/5r/2s
@pedwards33: 6p/1r/1a
@jrealthegoat: 3r/1b

As a team, LSU shot 46% fg, but a bad 31% 3pt and 81% from the line. Kind of a typical Wade team offensive slash line. Hopefully the 3pt efficiency will improve with the big 3 (Days, Reid, and Pinson) on the floor as Murray and Mwani shot a combined 2-10 from 3, which is what really dragged down the stat.

The out rebounded Nicholls 44-29 and only allowed Nicholls 7 OR. Some of the rebounding was just pure athleticism, but I did notice several that came from great positioning and box outs; so hopefully we’ll see improved defensive rebounding, which will lead to better defensive efficiency.

Turnovers were bad, but that is to be expected in this type of game and missing as many players as they were LSU had 17 TO’s; however the concerning thing is that Gaines accounted for 8 of those. So while his assists were high (9) his ratio was bad

Defensively they held Nicholls to a slash line of 36% FG and 22% 3pt


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Tweet video of Fudge’s poster dunk: LINK


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deaux
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a bad 31% 3pt
if we can improve on this, this team will be dangerous


Lester Earl
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Outside of Days, the team is low on 3pt threats. Miller was going to be the other dude

Ball handling will certainly be a theme without Miller, too. I’d expect a good amount of turnovers. Wade’s aversion to true PG’s after Waters left is perplexing


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I don’t pay close attention to basketball until March TBH but that’s what I remember from the little bit I watched last year. No real threat from 3.


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TigerLaw40
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Outside of Days, the team is low on 3pt threats. Miller was going to be the other dude

Can’t agree with you here as of right now.

I agree that Days is the only proven commodity; but I was impressed with Eason’s shooting ability yesterday and he went 2/5 from 3. People who have watched practice, as well as Wade, have said that Reid will also be a threat from 3. And I expect Murray to improve as the season goes along. So that’s 3-4 players that should give solid numbers from behind the arc, which is more than most teams will have.

ETA: Also, while Gaines needs to improve on his consistency, he did shoot 2/4 from beyond the arc yesterday; so he is capable of providing some help there too.
This post was edited on 10/24 at 12:53 pm


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For those fans that hate Wade’s teams “talking”,



Doesn't bother me a bit.

His chronic lack of defense is what I worry about.


Lester Earl
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I don’t believe anything Wade says regarding who is going to shoot well. He always over sells it



TigerLaw40
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I don’t believe anything Wade says regarding who is going to shoot well. He always over sells it

I don’t disagree with you that he tends to do that (eg Hyatt); but I’d say it is because most of us have latched on to the Hyatt narrative as him being so off. He’s said it about other players and been correct.

But as I stated, more than Wade has been saying that. There has been media and posters on other sites that have watched practice and noted the same about Reid.


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Looks like the 3-pt defense was pretty good..a good sign. Of course Nichols might have just been cold


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Doesn't bother me a bit.

I agree with you. Doesn’t bother me either.

That warning was more for the “this is nothing more than a street ball team” section of our fan base that loves to bitch about that type stuff.


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TigerLaw40
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Looks like the 3-pt defense was pretty good..a good sign. Of course Nichols might have just been cold

They really only had 1 good shooter from 3; however they had another that put up double digit attempts and only made 2, which makes me think he’s probably typically good, but was cold yesterday.

Close outs and rotation were a little better; but still allowing way too many open looks and uncontested shots typically created by allowing penetration to the lane.


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 For those fans that hate Wade’s teams “talking”, especially like they did last year, then you aren’t going to like this team. They got under Nicholls skin several times and created some heated moments. There was a double tech late in the game on both teams. Eason was one of the biggest talkers.

Talking shite to Nicholls is pretty funny, but sometimes you have to make things entertaining. Most college kids seem to talk non-stop these days anyway even if they are getting waxed, so it's not that unusual anymore.


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Lester Earl
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It wasn’t just Hyatt. It’s just about everyone. And he’s had like 2-3 true knock down guys overall


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Thanks, Tiger Law! Boot up!


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The dribble drive and kick has been the killer since Wade has been here.


That vandy game was the worst


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@TAR13ASON: 22p/15r/1a/3to @EricDaGoat: 15p/3r/9a/1s/8to (yikes) @MwaniWilkinson: 12p/6r/1a/2s/1b/2to @Bmurrayyyy: 10p/2r/2a/1s/2to @iam_AlexFudge: 9p/5r/2s @pedwards33: 6p/1r/1a @jrealthegoat: 3r/1b


What the frick is this?


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Great rundown, TigerLaw! Agree with all of it from my vantage point at the game. Here’s a few other observations.

Nicholls backcourt is their strength. They have a lot of big bodied guards similar in stature to Baylor’s recent players, with a low center of gravity, very tough to penetrate against and hard to defend. It was difficult at times for Gaines to get around them in half court sets. And the refs were letting a lot of hand checking go.

Eason is gonna be a really good player. He does a bunch of everything, scoring, rebounding, defense, free throw shooting. He can bring the ball up and he doesn’t turn the ball over a lot for as much as he handles it, and it was his aggressiveness and offense that got the team back on top in the second half.

As for the talking, you’re probably right and I think Wade is okay with his team’s having a bit of swag as long as it doesn’t cost them games. But in my opinion I don’t think the team had any designs yesterday to do a lot of talking based on the fact this was supposed to be for a good cause. But Nicholls treated it like an NCAA tourney game with the way they were chirping after baskets and I think that’s why LSU was down before half and also why they picked it up in the 2nd half.

So, imo, dribble penetration is still an issue and work in progress, but if this team was able to beat a conference champion with so many returning players by 12 points, using mostly bench players, then there’s a bright outlook for the season.


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