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re: Back-to-back 9-3 regular seasons after 5-5 and 6-7
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:39 pm to AlldayTiger
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:39 pm to AlldayTiger
New coaches in SEC:
BK
2022: 9-3 (reg season) SEC West Champion, knocked Bama out of playoffs
2023: 9-3
After inheriting a dumpster fire, he beat Bama and aTm once each in his first 2, Auburn 2x, Florida 2x.
Napier
2022: 6-7
2023: 5-7
Lost to in-state rival twice
Hugh Freeze
2023: 6-6, loss to New Mexico State, blew 99.9% win chance probability against in-state rival. Even if he won both those games, he’d still be 8-4.
BK is doing a good job.
BK
2022: 9-3 (reg season) SEC West Champion, knocked Bama out of playoffs
2023: 9-3
After inheriting a dumpster fire, he beat Bama and aTm once each in his first 2, Auburn 2x, Florida 2x.
Napier
2022: 6-7
2023: 5-7
Lost to in-state rival twice
Hugh Freeze
2023: 6-6, loss to New Mexico State, blew 99.9% win chance probability against in-state rival. Even if he won both those games, he’d still be 8-4.
BK is doing a good job.
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:39 pm to AlldayTiger
9-3 with this defense, and the defense is a negative on Kelly, is amazing.
I think if there was a 12 team CFP this year that LSU would make it. The offense is so good we can win every game and the committee knows that.
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Next year the expectation should be making the playoffs, no excuse with the 12-team playoffs now announced.
I think if there was a 12 team CFP this year that LSU would make it. The offense is so good we can win every game and the committee knows that.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:42 pm to SelaTiger
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But no improvement from year 1 to year 2.
Progress is rarely linear.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:45 pm to SelaTiger
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But no improvement from year 1 to year 2.
Huge improvement on offense
The defense seriously regressed
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:47 pm to thunderbird1100
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. I wouldnt call a season a failure if we go 10-2 or 9-3 and miss the playoff but would be slightly disappointing
Kelly has absolutely reached all realistic expectations the past 2 seasons. Matching last year's success was absolutely a success. And much of the credit goes to acquiring Daniels.
I don't think there's a Daniels in the waiting for next season. The OL developed and would be ready for your expectations, but there's not another position group ready for you, so prepare to be disappointed.
Our entire offensive approach is predicated on Daniels' scrambling ability. There is no identity. Denbrock will be at the mercy of whomever we can get in the portal in order to produce enough points to overcome the complete lack of development on the defensive side of the ball.
Please tell me how many pieces gained experience this year in that shite scheme to give you any hope next season on that side of the ball.
Realistic expectation should be 8-4 for anybody that truly knows what they are observing. Now, if Kelly can get the next Heisman QB candidate to show up, maybe, but still very long odds
Have you looked at the schedule?
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:48 pm to AlldayTiger
I know this is a bit of a novel concept, but one can both be pleased with the progress of the program since the 2020 & 2021 seasons, but ALSO feel the 9-3 record this season is somewhat disappointing.
There hasn't been a dominant team this season. Even in the SEC Georgia hasn't been as dominant as they were the past two seasons, while Alabama has had to fight tooth and nail to get their 11-1 record (most recently, last week's miracle/choke vs. .500 Auburn). LSU just put together the second best offensive season in the 130 year history of the program. Their QB turned in the 2nd best (some may argue the best regular season) season in the history of the program All that was needed for LSU to be sitting at, at least, 11-1 with a chance to make the CFP was an average defense. Not elite. Not great. Not even good. Just average. And the DC could not even reach that incredibly low bar.
By no means was this season "bad". Nor does the 9-3 record mean LSU should fired their HC or that the "decline is real." It just means that this season didn't fully reach it's potential. But overall, the state of the program is MUCH better than it was 2 years ago.
There hasn't been a dominant team this season. Even in the SEC Georgia hasn't been as dominant as they were the past two seasons, while Alabama has had to fight tooth and nail to get their 11-1 record (most recently, last week's miracle/choke vs. .500 Auburn). LSU just put together the second best offensive season in the 130 year history of the program. Their QB turned in the 2nd best (some may argue the best regular season) season in the history of the program All that was needed for LSU to be sitting at, at least, 11-1 with a chance to make the CFP was an average defense. Not elite. Not great. Not even good. Just average. And the DC could not even reach that incredibly low bar.
By no means was this season "bad". Nor does the 9-3 record mean LSU should fired their HC or that the "decline is real." It just means that this season didn't fully reach it's potential. But overall, the state of the program is MUCH better than it was 2 years ago.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:48 pm to AlldayTiger
Beyond reasonable take, however, many fans are disappointed because there is no doubt any other defensive coaching staff from about 75-100 other programs could have taken this defense, made them competitive, and would be playing for the SECC this weekend with a Heisman winner.
If JD doesn't win the award, this all falls at the feet of that functional retard Matt House.
If JD doesn't win the award, this all falls at the feet of that functional retard Matt House.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:48 pm to TN Tygah
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Hugh Freeze
2023: 6-6, loss to New Mexico State, blew 99.9% win chance probability against in-state rival. Even if he won both those games, he’d still be 8-4.
I still can't get over 4th and 31, rushing 2, one spy and dropping 8 and the receiver is still one on one.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:50 pm to Meatball
In the 12 team CFP, a non-conference champ must be in the top 11 to make it as an at large entry. 4 conference champs are seeded 1-4 and 1-2 more champs get auto bids. That COULD mean a team ranked 11 or 12 COULD be left out.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:50 pm to AlldayTiger
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Back-to-back 9-3 regular seasons after 5-5 and 6-7
We are *officially* the new Texas A&M of the SEC
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:50 pm to Alt26
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:52 pm to DallasTiger45
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I like that our team was better this year by pretty much all the advanced metrics.
By all you mean none of the defensive ones I assume
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:54 pm to Alt26
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There hasn't been a dominant team this season
And there will never be the dominant defenses that SEC NC caliber teams have had, like 2011 LSU and AL, again.
You can't monopolize talent like those teams did. There are no backups, no depth. Those kids are going where they can start and cashing in.
The safer bet is to plan on scoring more points. Make damn sure your QB can scramble, and go from there.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:57 pm to TexasTiger_08
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Progress is rarely linear.
True. Which is why anyone thinking expecting next year to be a jump up from 9-3 simply because it is year 3 is foolish. Many of the favorable variables in place this season won't be there next season. Most notably, the best QB and WR in the country, along with another top 5 WR. It is entirely likely LSU gets much better on defense next season, yet finishes with an equal or worse record than this season because the offense (almost because it has no other choice) takes a significant step back.
Expectations should be established year to year based upon the variables in place at the time. Not some artificial linear timeline. That's not to say LSU won't be great next season. We ALL hope they will. But I'm not expecting that to be the case solely for no other reason than it is Kelly's 3rd season.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:59 pm to AlldayTiger
It will be feast or famine next year. Either Nuss or whoever the qb is has a good season or we lose a lot. Either we keep the good players from the transfer portal and we get the much needed players on defense or we lose.
Seriously, we will be rebuilding the defense for the third year in a row and perhaps adjusting to new coaches. We lose Daniels, our best two receivers, our most dependable running back and some OL.
Could be great, could be real tough.
Seriously, we will be rebuilding the defense for the third year in a row and perhaps adjusting to new coaches. We lose Daniels, our best two receivers, our most dependable running back and some OL.
Could be great, could be real tough.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:59 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
How far do you think LSU would have gotten if they made it to the 12 team playoff this year?
Posted on 11/28/23 at 1:00 pm to Alt26
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. Which is why anyone thinking expecting next year to be a jump up from 9-3 simply because it is year 3 is foolish.
We aren't paying 10 mil to not win 10 games in year 3. If that isn't the expectation, that's a you problem. If we aren't a top 12 team next year, that's a big fricking red flag.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 1:01 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
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We are *officially* the new Texas A&M of the SEC
What? A&M hasn’t had a 9-3 regular season since 2012. They’ve only done it 3 times this century. 9-3 gets coaches a raise and extension there.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 1:06 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
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We are *officially* the new Texas A&M of the SEC
LSU finished with 10 wins last season and a west title (aggie has never won the west) and could get back to back 10 win seasons.
The last time they won double digit games in a season was 2012.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 1:10 pm to derp
Unless we get some DL and DBs that can actually make an impact on the field, the defense may be as bad next year, if not worse.
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