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re: Are these basketball additions really gonna make a difference?

Posted on 4/30/25 at 6:30 pm to
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66565 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 6:30 pm to
A- that’s false, one was an All-SEC player and another was easily an SEC caliber player

B- how is that different?
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 6:31 pm
Posted by Circle K Beggar
Somewhere in the lower 48
Member since Feb 2011
7414 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:19 pm to
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the good news is that if he cant turn it around this year, he is done!


I’ll believe it when I see it. I could see an identical year to this past one and there will STILL be people clamoring to keep him citing perceived disadvantages, selective “improvement”, etc.

By objective metrics (making the tournament as an SEC coach), he is the worst coach in the conference.
Posted by EscambiaTiger
Pensacola
Member since Dec 2024
131 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:50 pm to
ESPN’s latest bracketology includes 13 SEC teams. LSU, Oklahoma and South Carolina are not included. If that is any indication, it’s likely LSU has a new coach one year from now. The bigger question from that is, with a lot of movement this offseason, where do you realistically look?
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
6813 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:57 pm to
I’m pulling for LSU to turn it around but I’m afraid it’s when McCantWin is on the move and a new coach transfers in. You do realize the Coach from Florida has been there 3 years from a mid, White left and everyone left also - Bam Florida is National Champs and we are still National Chumps
Posted by Geauxing for 3
TX Tiger
Member since Mar 2008
2163 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:26 pm to
If you have to ask then the answer is no
Posted by BowDownToLSU
Livingston louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
21168 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:43 pm to
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No. This program will not improve until MM is gone. He is not the right fit for the NIL era.
I Agee. Woody dropped the ball by not firing MM. Why prolong it one more season? We could have a coach putting his system in
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
12022 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:17 pm to
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but we seem to be adding mid major players who were decent contributors


Rinse and repeat cycle w MM. Reload each year with mid tier talent. Hasn't worked yet.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66565 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:31 pm to
We have no plan and no direction, that’s the problem. What are we, a mid major coach poaching mid major and lesser talent. How does that help us in a conference that’s moving forward at break neck pace? Is it going to get so bad that when college sports starts amputating teams they’re gonna have to do like the NBA did with New Orleans and come do it for us because we’re too stupid?
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 9:35 pm
Posted by Circle K Beggar
Somewhere in the lower 48
Member since Feb 2011
7414 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:58 pm to
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We have no plan and no direction, that’s the problem. What are we, a mid major coach poaching mid major and lesser talent.


Don’t hold your breath for an answer. I’ve asked the McMen the question ad nauseam “What is the philosophy McMahon wants to instill?” and have yet to receive any information.

With Nate Oats, you know it’s going to be a run and gun 3 point shooting team. With Kelvin Sampson, you know it’s going to be a major emphasis on defense and offensive rebounding.

Here we are heading into Year 4 of the McMahon era and yet no fans can explain the identity of this program. That’s why, given recent results, I’m very skeptical of any improvement happening.

It really makes you wonder what was discussed in McMahon’s interview for the job. It could not have been too in depth.

Like it or not, I think the first domino to fall in saving us from the McMahon era was Wade getting out of the state. Now that that has happened, should just be a matter of time now (1 more season AT MOST).
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
14584 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:02 pm to
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If we go another season without going to the dance, it would be ridiculous to keep McMahon. He should have been let go after last season.
McHallman is Men's Basketball Nikki and Beth.

He absolutely should have been let go after last season.

McWoodward is just trying to burn off another year of buyout $$$$$$$$

All the Pump Nut Cheerleader MA's are happy though. We get another season of mediocrity, which they lovingly embrace and LSU gets one less year of buyout to fork out after next season (In reality, it's not even at the respectable "Mediocre" level)

Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45023 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:45 pm to
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Don’t hold your breath for an answer. I’ve asked the McMen the question ad nauseam “What is the philosophy McMahon wants to instill?” and have yet to receive any information.
You're wasting your time.

The same posters will shite on Coach Jay and Coach Kelly, and in turn, champion CoachMc. It's an insane asylum.

And then they all double down with some "you don't want to win, you're happy we're losing" nonsense while defending the losing. They are more happy losing so they can "told you so" if we actually win.

Moving goalposts and excuses is a manifesto for those dudes.
Posted by Jtigerfan454
Member since Dec 2022
395 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 5:25 am to
I laughed.
Posted by Jtigerfan454
Member since Dec 2022
395 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 5:31 am to
They will get burned in the end. Throwing gobs of money at players that won’t change the win loss column. This is Woodward’s mo. I’ll spend everyone else’s money, do not care the wake of hell I leave behind me. Then when he realizes shite is about to hit the fan he has his “oh shite moment”. That ridiculousness he did with jimbo is why he left a&m
Posted by Smokin Joe Dumas
Armchair QB
Member since Apr 2022
1848 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:23 am to
I actually like the incoming freshman class more than most of the transfers
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34151 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:36 am to
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I’ll believe it when I see it. I could see an identical year to this past one and there will STILL be people clamoring to keep him citing perceived disadvantages, selective “improvement”, etc.


I very much can see a scenario where LSU goes something like 16-15 (6-12) and you have many, including the administration, lobbying to retain him for another year citing the "improvement". Being slightly better than really bad still isn't "good". But that's how low the expectations have sunk for the program and it seems LSU has a significant part of the fanbase who has happily accepted such incredibly low expectations.

I'd love to know the AD's actual expectations for the program. There is absolutely ZERO reason LSU couldn't be a program on par with the likes of Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, etc, etc, Those weren't decades-long powerhouse programs. They were inconsistent programs who exploded once they hit on the right HC. But the first step in becoming one of those programs is to actually give a damn and not accept mediocrity. It's very hard to argue LSU, from the AD, to a vocal part of the fanbase is ok with being a bottom-tier SEC program. Their actions certainly reflect that.

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By objective metrics (making the tournament as an SEC coach), he is the worst coach in the conference.


Forget the NCAA Tournament. LSU's record over the last 3 years is the worst in the SEC (excluding Texas and OU because they haven't been in the league 3 seasons....though the same would be true even if they had)
Posted by Septiger
Member since Nov 2020
2942 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:37 am to
LSU starts off with a bunch of wins against cupcakes and when SEC play starts , reality sets in.
Posted by LSUbasketballfan
Member since Jan 2021
481 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:20 am to
We will have a slightly improved record simply because improved talent is worth a couple extra wins. No coach on staff has shown anything to make me believe they can coach a successful team.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71551 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:47 am to
Here's my breakdown of the class:

- Thomas is a high end game changer for us. HUGE upgrade from Givens/Sears at PG from last season

- Nwoko has SEC experience coming from MSU and is definitely not a game changer but a perfect backup to Jalen Reed who can give you 15 quality minutes or so

- Sutton could start the 4 spot for us and looks to be a pretty good quality pickup, like most mid-major pickups, have to wait to see how they truly translate but he's my favorite player in the transfer class beneath Thomas

- Tamba the most recent pickup is a a bit of an afterthought mostly coming from a mid-major and wasnt necessarily a notably big producer. I think he's the #5 guy in the big man rotation of Reed/Nwoko and Sutton/Miller and as that would maybe get 5ish minutes a game as needed or a little more if other guys get in foul trouble/hurt

- King/MacKinnon I am lumping them in together as again a couple mid major who were good to really good contributors on their team and we'll have to wait to see how they translate. Neither gets me particularly excited, but I feel like 1 will be starting, potentially both. I really think we need to go out and get 1 more starting guard/wing type that can really shoot (not 38% on 2 3PA a game, more like mid-high 30%+ on 4+ 3 PA a game and was a good scorer overall at previous stop, not 5ppg from Memphis like PJ Carter who to me is a meh pickup as well, just a backup 10-15 minute a game type shooter).

PJ Carter will be the next pickup supposedly, wrote on him above. Will be a 6th year player and wasnt much an impactful player at UTSA or Memphis the last 2 seasons. He's just a shooter off the bench.

To me if we dont get a solid shooting starting guard/wing so Mackinnon/King BOTH have to start, then we've got a pretty big hole there.

To me at least it seems like we've ran out of NIL money or something because the latest pickups are pretty underwhelming, which doesnt bode well for us getting a starting guard/wing type of player. We should have been all over Harper the transfer to Creighton, dude had a GREAT freshman year at Howard where he was MEAC player of the year and would just fill a huge void IMO we have right now. Hard to believe Creighton would outspend us but we seem to be out of real NIL at this point so I dont think we managed what we had very well (Spend TOO much on Thomas/King/Nwoko etc)
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 9:51 am
Posted by junior
baton rouge
Member since Mar 2005
2563 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:55 am to
Considering we were the worst team in the SEC for the last 2 years, improving to 9-10th is a difference.

That said, I think we should be in the tourney most years w frequent runs into the sweet 16. We wont be.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37055 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:17 am to
It all starts at point guard, and all reports are that Thomas is a good one who will be the best we have had at the position.

Then inside we have a rotation of quality bigs in Miller, Nwoko, and Sutton to play at the 4 and 5. They should do better than hold the fort until Reed is back to 100%, hopefully by conference play.

At the 2 and 3 it looks like we will be playing guards, but King at 6'6" is a big guard who can score and rebound. And the newest addition, if he is a player, can give us a legit small forward with some athleticism. Not sure where McKinnon and Carter (?) end up but both can give us solid 3 point shooting.

So it looks like:
PG - Thomas
SG - Carter
SF - King
PF - Nwoko
C - Miller

Top subs:
Reece (pg)
McKinnon (sg)
Mosely (sg)
Sutton (pf)
Reed (will start eventually at pf)

This team will have a good 1st team with a lot of rotation pieces at the 2/3.

Probably will have a short bench in conference play.

Keep in mind that unless rules change, there will be an overall drop in talent as the 5th year covid players have largely run out of eligibility. So instead of 5 classes of players, we are back to 4. So while LSU may not look like they are setting the world on fire, a good number of teams are having issues in the portal, including several SEC teams.
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