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re: Another one - Paxton Kling to Portal

Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:48 am to
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:48 am to
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Kling was terrible at the plate and it doesn’t look like it was getting better.

Except he was improving. This has been argued in tons of threads, but Kling's stats in the first half of the season were obviously bad. He bottomed out in March. But he had improved significantly from that mid-point of the season to the end of the season.
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Those unwilling to acknowledge that need to have their head examined.


There are some posters here that have an irrational dislike for the guy to the point that they aren't willing to acknowledge that he improved in the second half of the season.
Posted by Ciskeaux
Member since Jan 2020
21 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:49 am to
Thank the good Lord
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75858 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:55 am to
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Cannon Peebles was supposed to be their starting catcher. He just didn't pan out this year. He was one of the bigger pickups in the portal last year. 8 of their 35 roster spots are portal guys. LSU has 10 guys on the roster from the portal. Not too dissimilar. (I'm not counting JUCO transfers for either school)

Last year they had Ahuna, Merritt, Dollander, Halvorsen, Lindsey, and Denton who were all transfer starters. Vitello works the portal plenty


He uses it to fill holes, not to remake his roster.

Kentucky, Arkansas, and A&M are in a pattern of portal over HS guy every year. A&M less so than the other 2. Tennessee isn't that way. LSU shouldn't be that way, and ideally won't be.

But that means the players we bring in as HS and JUCO recruits have to pan out and buy in. Tennessee gets a lot of roster consistency from guys redshirting and sticking around, guys buying into reduced roles as freshmen and sticking around.

But Tony has also been at Tennessee longer than Jay has been here. So he's had time to get the roster to that point. He's also got more in state talent to work with to help build up those program guys.
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
6758 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:04 pm to
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Why? What good is a great outfielder who can’t hit the ball at all?


For starters, we are left with three outfielders that aren't great in the field or the plate. Larson started off hitting great but slumped for the better part of the last 5-6 weeks. Brown's hitting certainly came around at the end of the season, but he misplayed 3 balls in the last 6 games. Pearson just finished his Junior year batting .244 with only a .352 OBP (Second worst on base on the team... only ahead of Frey).
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2640 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:33 pm to
Kling is an exceptional OF and a lousy hitter. My brother and I consider him "the rally killer". Pearson is being criticized for his low BA....238. Kling's was .222. Even more important is what Johnson said when asked why Pearson was batting cleanup. He was probably the best clutch hitter on the team...to compare him to Kling which is the topic, Kling had 21 RBIs in 173 PA. Pearson had 34 RBIs in 197 PA. And Larson batted .298 for season and had fewer Ks than Kling with the same number of PA.

If there was a position called "designated fielder" then Kling would be at the top of the list. But having him batting was putting a pitcher with a bat in his hand at the plate.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20093 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:34 pm to
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Except he was improving.


Correct.

And I for one hope after he looks around at other options decides to return.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
26652 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:39 pm to
Hope this doesn’t happen. Kling would be our 2025 version of Andrew Stephenson next year.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 1:48 pm
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
11998 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:42 pm to
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he is in and out here


It's not like we didn't give him a chance (after chance, after chance, after chance)...
Posted by smoke225
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7938 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:42 pm to
when youre batting below the mendoza line its really really hard to "Do Worse". Getting better and batting 220 is still frickin dogshit.

Move on from Kling, appreciate him being here but yall act like we are losing an all SEC player when that just isnt the case.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288257 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:43 pm to
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to compare him to Kling which is the topic, Kling had 21 RBIs in 173 PA. Pearson had 34 RBIs in 197 PA



Pearson had 233 PA. Pearson was on base 82 times.

Kling had 173 PA. Kling was on base 70 times.


Kling, factually, was harder to get out than Pearson.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2640 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:51 pm to
I misread the AB as PA for Pearson. However, I notice you didn't bother mentioned the RBIs. 34 out of 233 PA is a lot better than 21 out of 173. Pearson, factually, was a much better clutch hitter than Kling..still the truth I will also point out that Pearson struck out the same number of times as Kling with as you pointed out 60 more ABs. To attempt to put Kling remotely in the same category as Pearson is utter nonsense. Kling was a lousy hitter pure and simple. You are spinning like crazy.
Posted by USAFTiger42
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2016
3702 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:51 pm to
I'm curious how many transfers are "encouraged" vs I need for playing time and LSU ain't it right now
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17007 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:52 pm to
I mean he was improving from extremely bad to just below anverage and was still not able to get PT over a freshman. He’s just not good enough to be an everyday starter in the SEC, which is fine, it’s really hard to do that. But to get where he wants to go, he needs consistent, everyday at bats, which he wouldn’t be getting at LSU.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288257 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:55 pm to
RBIs are mainly a function of where you hit in the order. No one really cares about RBI anymore, as a stat.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2640 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:00 pm to
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RBIs are mainly a function of where you hit in the order. No one really cares about RBI anymore, as a stat.


One of the most stupid comments I have ever read on the internet! Congrats. Clutch hitting is more important than ever. LOB is becoming one of the most important stats in baseball. In fact, I have discussed with some other people about how many RBi's White COULD have had if he had delivered more with men on base and specifically not hit into so many double plays. Any knowledgeable baseball fan cares about RBI...the fact that you don't speaks volumes.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42397 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:02 pm to
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Somewhere Rudy is jacking it

Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20093 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:08 pm to
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yall act like we are losing an all SEC player when that just isnt the case.


I don't think anyone on here is suggesting he should've made all-SEC. OTOH, he was easily our best glove and arm in the OF and players can and do improve.

Kramer hit .200 as Fr and .232 as a Soph. Klingish numbers. But lo and behold, he improved and he was all-SEC.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288257 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:11 pm to
Clutch hitting, also not a real thing.

But of course you are sitting here ready to argue against decades & decades of data that says otherwise huh
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87450 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:16 pm to
I hate this. I wasn’t ready to give up on him just yet.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2640 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:17 pm to
Clutch hitting IS the thing! As far as "data" goes, you consider your fictional nonsense and ignorant opinions as "data". Uh no, is not data. You are someone who doesn't understand the point of baseball when at bat is to score runs.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 1:19 pm
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