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re: Another Hal Hughes post

Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:28 pm to
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His average WAR in those seasons was barely above 1.0, which is a scrub.

His being Gallo?

Gallo is night and day better than Hughes, the only reason I brought up his name is because he went to the plate 1,337 times before he hit a SF. During that time frame Gallo hit 96 homers.

Not hitting a SF in 200 ABs or so means nothing.
Posted by Ac16
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2011
793 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

So if you bench Hughes and DH Gio you have to decide if whatever increased offensive production you expect to get from Gio over Hal is worth having 6 LH hitters and 3 RH hitters and downgrad


I’d be ok with adding a LH hitter in this situation considering his average is over 100 points higher than the RH hitter. I’ll take a strikeout king that bats 0.280 over a soft ground ball/ infield pop up guy batting 0.170.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43864 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Gallo is night and day better than Hughes, the only reason I brought up his name is because he went to the plate 1,337 times before he hit a SF. During that time frame Gallo hit 96 homers.

Not hitting a SF in 200 ABs or so means nothing.




When you have 11 RBI on the season and are hitting .170, not even being able to drive in runs without a hit is not meaningless.

You're reaching, badly.
Posted by CalRipkenJr
Denham Springs
Member since Jan 2007
1577 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

I’d be ok with adding a LH hitter in this situation considering his average is over 100 points higher than the RH hitter. I’ll take a strikeout king that bats 0.280 over a soft ground ball/ infield pop up guy batting 0.170.



Understandable, my argument was simply that the offensive difference between Gio and Hal would have to be worth the decreased defense you get at 3B
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 2:36 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:40 pm to
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When you have 11 RBI on the season and are hitting .170, not even being able to drive in runs without a hit is not meaningless.

You're reaching, badly.


Who is the one reaching here?
We all know Hughes is not s good hitter, but you had to bring up a meaningless stat as if that made a difference.

Who leads the team in SF? Who leads the SEC? Who holds the LSU record?

Nobody knows and nobody cares because it’s not important.

Keep reaching, maybe next you’ll tell us that Hughes has a career average of 100 on a cloudy night with a full moon.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:41 pm to
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Understandable, my argument was simply that the offensive difference between Gio and Hal would have to be worth the decreased defense you get at 3B


And the decreased defense you would get at first by playing Beloso over Reid.
Posted by CalRipkenJr
Denham Springs
Member since Jan 2007
1577 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:44 pm to
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And the decreased defense you would get at first by playing Beloso over Reid.


correct!

I don't think the situation is perfect by any means but we are 30-8 at home and are 2 home wins from Omaha...as long as Hughes can hit any worse (not possible) then I say we stay the course.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43864 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

Who is the one reaching here?
We all know Hughes is not s good hitter, but you had to bring up a meaningless stat as if that made a difference


quote:

Who leads the team in SF? Who leads the SEC? Who holds the LSU record?


I'm not looking up the SEC, but Beloso has 8 and five other LSU players have at least 3.

quote:

Nobody knows and nobody cares because it’s not important.


No. You don't care because it hurts your argument that LSU has to play Hughes.

quote:

Keep reaching, maybe next you’ll tell us that Hughes has a career average of 100 on a cloudy night with a full moon.


You tried to use Joey Gallo to show us all how meaningless it is that Hughes is as unproductive of a hitter as LSU has ever had.

I'm the one reaching though.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:53 pm to
quote:


You tried to use Joey Gallo to show us all how meaningless it is that Hughes is as unproductive of a hitter as LSU has ever had.


I used Gallo to demonstrate how ridiculous your point was.

And yes it’s a reach. It’s like flying over Hiroshima with a spitfire and it’s machine guns to get the last one alive. It’s pointless.

quote:


No. You don't care because it hurts your argument that LSU has to play Hughes.


I just presented evidence why Hughes is playing. You don’t understand my points because you don’t know the game. Your bringing up sac flies just proved that.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43864 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:59 pm to
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I just presented evidence why Hughes is playing. You don’t understand my points because you don’t know the game. Your bringing up sac flies just proved that.


You've provided your opinion that his defense just can't be replaced. Yet you sit here and act like that opinion is just better and more correct than everyone else's.

Here's a hint: It's not.



ETA: Throwing a bitch fit and calling stats that back up other people's opinions "meaningless" just shows how badly you're reaching here.

You've yet to provide a single statistic that backs up your assertion that Hughes has to be in at 3rd. Not a single one.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted by Ac16
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2011
793 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:05 pm to
Are you trying to argue that sac flies aren’t important? I honestly don’t understand what your argument for Hughes playing is.
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10397 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:17 pm to
Why'd you leave out his SLG numbers? That is where Hughes stats really take a nose dive. 2 extra base hits in over 150 plate appearances. I honestly don't think I have ever seen a SLG under .200 before with that many at bats. It seems almost impossible. It is impressively bad.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:20 pm to
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Are you trying to argue that sac flies aren’t important? I honestly don’t understand what your argument for Hughes playing is.

SF stats are not very important in the grand scheme of things.

If a bats 333 and drives in 50 runs with 1SF he’s better than a guy who bats 300 drives in 40 runs with SF.

We all know Hughes hasn’t hit, but neither has Dugas, or Bianco. Gio has hit better but someone noted he hit the wall and he fell way off.

Keeping all that in mind and knowing that PM believes Reid is better at first base than Beloso, and that Hughes is better at third than Reid is based on recent SEC fielding stats and my own two eyes; I can understand why Hughes is playing.

And fwiw, I could see Mainieri shaking things up if he believes we need more punch. Maybe start Gio v a rightie and another kid v a lefty.
It’s not as if Hughes is a slam dunk.
Posted by gotiger
Delray Beach, FL
Member since Feb 2009
2775 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:29 pm to
Personally I think Willis is the best option. His at bats have been great with good patience and a great eye. He hits to all fields. Unfortunately, he is relegated to pinch hitting here or there, which is not conducive to a nice batting average.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56417 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:29 pm to
The only one on your list I would have less confidence in on getting on base or a hit would be Mathis.

Hughes has batted 337 times as a Tiger, he has an OBP of .290 throughout the entirety of his career.

He has 2 extra base hits all year, 2.

He has tried to steal 5 times....he was been caught 3 of those times.

I dont know for sure that Willis, Gio, Bianco or Dugas wouldnt stink it up, but I do know with a high degree of confidence that Hughes will continue to perform like he has the last 337 at bats.



Posted by LSUJML
BR
Member since May 2008
45753 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:33 pm to
quote:

Personally I think Willis is the best option.


Not on postseason roster
He is going to be good next season
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25723 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

Why'd you leave out his SLG numbers?

or his 11 rbi's.


I said it before when arguing about Andrew Stevenson's crappy stats, Hughes isn't some freshman taking his lumps. This isn't his first time getting extensive play. What are we expecting from him going forward? Is there any sign that he might be a good hitter next year? Hell he was barely a good hitter in high school, batting .360. That would have been the worst hitter on my state championship team. It's mind boggling he was given a scholarship being an out of state guy. Generally you want to get a sure thing when you get an out of state guy that you're going to have to give a full scholarship to like Bregman or Kramer, who both were great hitters in high school, Kramer batting well over .400 for 3 years and Bregman hitting over .600, which you would expect of anyone going to LSU from their high school days. I'm fine taking chances on instate guys, but the way scholarships work in baseball, and our advantage with TOPS, the out of state guys better be able to play, and Hal wasn't what we should be looking for in out of state guys.

I'd much rather see any of the 4 freshman get up there and struggle, knowing they have a promising future, instead of seeing a guy i've already seen bat 337 times and isn't good at it.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13107 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:34 pm to
I’d DH Dugas. When he came back from injury he hit the ground running. Sample size is small
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43864 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

I dont know for sure that Willis, Gio, Bianco or Dugas wouldnt stink it up, but I do know with a high degree of confidence that Hughes will continue to perform like he has the last 337 at bats.


This. Hughes is 1 for 25 with 5 walks and 1 RBI in the post season.

Posted by CalRipkenJr
Denham Springs
Member since Jan 2007
1577 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

Personally I think Willis is the best option. His at bats have been great with good patience and a great eye.


I think Willis has the highest upside of any of the guys mentioned as far as power goes, but to say his at bats have been great with a great eye is not holding up for me. He has struck out 24 times in 52 at bats... that means he strikes out 46% of the time... thats pretty damn bad!

Like worst on the team by 12% BAD!
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:44 pm
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