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re: Alleva confirms investigation of possible violations
Posted on 12/1/09 at 7:54 am to hashtag
Posted on 12/1/09 at 7:54 am to hashtag
quote:
but tell me were you a student at LSU within the last 15 years?
Yes. I attended every home game for about 11 straight years.
Wow. Well,at least you finally graduated.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 8:14 am to Tigerpaw123
Chris Toliver has already played
Posted on 12/1/09 at 8:19 am to Tim
quote:
For what it's worth, I was told Miles knew and was told to fire McCarthy. He didn't. That pissed off Aleva
Posted on 12/1/09 at 8:22 am to Cash
This wont amount to a hill of shite imo.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 8:33 am to DocBugbear
quote:
Murray Divot
Damn. I heard the same name. We're screwed. He was def under the radar. But it may explain why the refs ignored him...didn't want to let him know how close they were...
Posted on 12/1/09 at 8:37 am to atchafalaya
quote:
he basically wants to disband the football program and keep the choice atheletes for a lacrosse program.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 8:45 am to memphisplaya
quote:
2008
Chancey Aghayere DT Garland, TX
Karnell Hatcher DB Delray Beach, FL
2009
Morris Claiborne ATH Shreveport, LA
Chris Davenport DT Mansfield, LA
Michael Ford RB Leesville, LA
Akiem Hicks DT Sacramento, CA
Bennie Logan DE Coushatta, LA
Rueben Randle WR Bastrop, LA
Let me preface this by saying this is a VERY VERY slightly informed guess but...
Davenport
Posted on 12/1/09 at 8:56 am to tigersruledude
quote:
Let me preface this by saying this is a VERY VERY slightly informed guess but...
so you really just want some credit if you are right.....nice.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 9:10 am to Tim
quote:
you have to remember the guy came from duke.
So was Bob Broadhead. He hired Arnsparger. IMO, Arnsparger and Saban are the two best that I have seen at LSU.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 9:33 am to roygu
colonel mustard with the candlestick in the library
Posted on 12/1/09 at 9:44 am to truthbetold
quote:
Bama isn't clean historically but Saban runs a pretty clean ship actually
Yeah. Only a three-year probation imposed since he's been there. That's clean by Alabama standards.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 9:55 am to mikeytig
quote:
For what it's worth, I was told Miles knew and was told to fire McCarthy. He didn't. That pissed off Aleva.
I'm not claiming to be an insider, but I'm 100% sure this is true based on two conversations I've had this year with people who would likely know. The question for me has been how many players were involved.
As for Alleva trying to get rid of Miles, I believe he would like to get rid of him ASAP, but I don't think he's going to push to have it done this season. I'm positive that he will be gone after 2010 unless he wins the SEC.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 10:05 am to Tiger Ryno
From the contract TERMINATION FOR CAUSE:
C. Termination of COACH for Cau,se: UNIVERSITY may tenninate this
Agreement for cause, and such right of termination shall exist notwithstanding any rights
available to the UNNERSITY under Section l3.A. Cause for this purpose shall mean anyone
or more of the fonowing:.
1. Neglect or inattention by COACH to the duties as specified in Section
1, or COACH's refusal or unwillingness to perform such duties in good faith and to the best of
COACH's abilities within thirty (30) days of receiving specific written notice of such neglect or
inattention to duties from the Athletics Director; or
2. Material significant or repetitive violation or breach by COACH ofthis
Contract, including without limitation Section 12 thereof, or of governing athletic rules or of
UNIVERSITY regulations; or
3. Conviction of COACH of a felony under state or federal law
(excluding minor traffic offenses); or
4 .. Fraud by COACH in the performance of his duties and responsibilities
hereunder; or
5. Fraud by COACH in the preparation, falsification, or alteration of
documents or records of the UNIVERSITY, NCAA or SEC, or documents or records pertaining
to any recruit or student athlete, including without limitation transcripts, eligibility forms, or
compliance reports, or permitting, encouraging or condoning such fraudulent acts by any other
person; or
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6. Failure by COACH to respond accurately and fully within a reasonable
time to any reasonable requests or inquiry relating to the performance of his duties hereunder or
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. his prior employment at any other institution of higher learning propounde~ by the
UNIVERSITY, NCAA, SEC or other governing body having supervision over the athletic
programs of UNIVERSITY· or such other institution of higher education, or required by law,
governing athletic rules, or UNIVERISITY regulations; or
7. Counseling or instructing by COACH of any other coach, student, or
other person to fail to respond accurately and fully within a reasonable time to any reasonable
request or inquiry concerning a matter relevant to the athletic programs of UNIVERSITY or
other institution of higher education which shall be propounded by the UNIVERSITY, NCAA,
SEC or other governing body having supervision over the athletic programs of UNIVERSITY or
such other institution of higher education, or which shall be required by law, governing athletic
rules, or UNIVERSITY regulations; or
8. Soliciting, placing, or accepting by COACH of a bet on any
intercollegiate athletic contest, or.pennitting, encouraging, or condoning such acts by any other
person; or
9. Participating in, condoning or encouraging by COACH of any illegal
gambling, bookmaking or illegal betting involving any intercollegiate or professional athletic
contest whether through a bookmaker, a parlay card, a pool, or any other method of organized
gambling; or
10. Furnishing by COACH of information or data relating in any manner
to any UNIVERSITY sport to any individual known by COACH to be or whom he should
reasonably know to be a gambler, betler, or bookmaker, or an agent of any such person, or the
consorting or associating by COACH with such persons; or
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11. Use or consumption by COACH of alcoholic beverages or narcotics,
drugs, controlled substances, steroids, or other chemicals in such degree and for such appreciable
. period as to impair his ability to perform his duties hereunder;
12. (a) Sale, use or possession by COACH of any narcotics, drugs,
controlled substances, steroids or other chemicals, the sale, use or possession of which by
COACH is prohibited by law or by goverillng athletic rules; or
(b) Pennitting, encouraging or condoning by COACH of the sale,
. use, or possession by any student athlete of any narcotics, drugs, controlled substances, steroids
or other chemicals, the sale, use or possession of which by any student athlete is prohibited by
law or by governing athletic rules; or
( c) Failure by COACH to fully cooperate in the enforcement and
implementation of any drug testing program established by UNIVERSITY for student athletes;
or
(d) Failure by COACH to fully cooperate in the enforcement of the
NCAA regulations relating to the use of agents; or
13. Subject to any right of administrative appeal permitted or granted to
COACH by such bodies, the making or rendition of a finding or determination by NCAA, SEC,
or any commission, committee, council, or tribunal of the same, of one or more major,
significant or repetitive violations by COACH of governing athletic rules, or of any such major,
significant or repetitive violations by others under the direct supervision of COACH which were
permitted, encouraged, or condoned by COACH, or about which violations COACH knew or
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reasonably should have known and failed to act reasonably to prevent, limit, or mitigate. (It is
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recognized that this sub-section encompasses f.i ndings or determinations . of violations during'
employment of COACH at UNIVERSITY or any other institution of higher education); or
14. Failure by COACH to report promptly to Athletics Director any
violations. known to COACH of governing athletic rules or UNIVERSITY regulations by
coaches, stud!?nts or other persons under the direct control or supervision of COACH; or
15. Failure by COACH to obtain prior approval for outside activities as
required by Section (9) or to report accurately all sources and amounts of all income and benefits
as required by Section (9); or
16. Commission of or participation in by COACH of any crime or other .
. serious misconduct which brmgs COACH into public disrepute sufficient to impair COACH'S
ability to continue in his position without. adverse impact on the UNIVERSITY'S football
program or reputation.
The judgment as to wh,ether the conduct of COACH constitutes cause under this
provision shall not be exercised arbitrarily or capriciously by the UNIVERSITY. In the event of
. such termination, COACH will receive thirty (30) calendar day' s notice of termination or thirty
(30) calendar day's regular pay in lieu of such notice. All compensation, including salary
benefits and other remuneration set forth in this contract incidental to COACH'S employment,
cease upon termination, other than compensation owed COACH for services perfonned by
COACH prior to termination.·
D. Suspension or Othe
C. Termination of COACH for Cau,se: UNIVERSITY may tenninate this
Agreement for cause, and such right of termination shall exist notwithstanding any rights
available to the UNNERSITY under Section l3.A. Cause for this purpose shall mean anyone
or more of the fonowing:.
1. Neglect or inattention by COACH to the duties as specified in Section
1, or COACH's refusal or unwillingness to perform such duties in good faith and to the best of
COACH's abilities within thirty (30) days of receiving specific written notice of such neglect or
inattention to duties from the Athletics Director; or
2. Material significant or repetitive violation or breach by COACH ofthis
Contract, including without limitation Section 12 thereof, or of governing athletic rules or of
UNIVERSITY regulations; or
3. Conviction of COACH of a felony under state or federal law
(excluding minor traffic offenses); or
4 .. Fraud by COACH in the performance of his duties and responsibilities
hereunder; or
5. Fraud by COACH in the preparation, falsification, or alteration of
documents or records of the UNIVERSITY, NCAA or SEC, or documents or records pertaining
to any recruit or student athlete, including without limitation transcripts, eligibility forms, or
compliance reports, or permitting, encouraging or condoning such fraudulent acts by any other
person; or
i
/
6. Failure by COACH to respond accurately and fully within a reasonable
time to any reasonable requests or inquiry relating to the performance of his duties hereunder or
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I,
. his prior employment at any other institution of higher learning propounde~ by the
UNIVERSITY, NCAA, SEC or other governing body having supervision over the athletic
programs of UNIVERSITY· or such other institution of higher education, or required by law,
governing athletic rules, or UNIVERISITY regulations; or
7. Counseling or instructing by COACH of any other coach, student, or
other person to fail to respond accurately and fully within a reasonable time to any reasonable
request or inquiry concerning a matter relevant to the athletic programs of UNIVERSITY or
other institution of higher education which shall be propounded by the UNIVERSITY, NCAA,
SEC or other governing body having supervision over the athletic programs of UNIVERSITY or
such other institution of higher education, or which shall be required by law, governing athletic
rules, or UNIVERSITY regulations; or
8. Soliciting, placing, or accepting by COACH of a bet on any
intercollegiate athletic contest, or.pennitting, encouraging, or condoning such acts by any other
person; or
9. Participating in, condoning or encouraging by COACH of any illegal
gambling, bookmaking or illegal betting involving any intercollegiate or professional athletic
contest whether through a bookmaker, a parlay card, a pool, or any other method of organized
gambling; or
10. Furnishing by COACH of information or data relating in any manner
to any UNIVERSITY sport to any individual known by COACH to be or whom he should
reasonably know to be a gambler, betler, or bookmaker, or an agent of any such person, or the
consorting or associating by COACH with such persons; or
Page 13 of21
'.,
11. Use or consumption by COACH of alcoholic beverages or narcotics,
drugs, controlled substances, steroids, or other chemicals in such degree and for such appreciable
. period as to impair his ability to perform his duties hereunder;
12. (a) Sale, use or possession by COACH of any narcotics, drugs,
controlled substances, steroids or other chemicals, the sale, use or possession of which by
COACH is prohibited by law or by goverillng athletic rules; or
(b) Pennitting, encouraging or condoning by COACH of the sale,
. use, or possession by any student athlete of any narcotics, drugs, controlled substances, steroids
or other chemicals, the sale, use or possession of which by any student athlete is prohibited by
law or by governing athletic rules; or
( c) Failure by COACH to fully cooperate in the enforcement and
implementation of any drug testing program established by UNIVERSITY for student athletes;
or
(d) Failure by COACH to fully cooperate in the enforcement of the
NCAA regulations relating to the use of agents; or
13. Subject to any right of administrative appeal permitted or granted to
COACH by such bodies, the making or rendition of a finding or determination by NCAA, SEC,
or any commission, committee, council, or tribunal of the same, of one or more major,
significant or repetitive violations by COACH of governing athletic rules, or of any such major,
significant or repetitive violations by others under the direct supervision of COACH which were
permitted, encouraged, or condoned by COACH, or about which violations COACH knew or
/
reasonably should have known and failed to act reasonably to prevent, limit, or mitigate. (It is
Page 14 of21
"
recognized that this sub-section encompasses f.i ndings or determinations . of violations during'
employment of COACH at UNIVERSITY or any other institution of higher education); or
14. Failure by COACH to report promptly to Athletics Director any
violations. known to COACH of governing athletic rules or UNIVERSITY regulations by
coaches, stud!?nts or other persons under the direct control or supervision of COACH; or
15. Failure by COACH to obtain prior approval for outside activities as
required by Section (9) or to report accurately all sources and amounts of all income and benefits
as required by Section (9); or
16. Commission of or participation in by COACH of any crime or other .
. serious misconduct which brmgs COACH into public disrepute sufficient to impair COACH'S
ability to continue in his position without. adverse impact on the UNIVERSITY'S football
program or reputation.
The judgment as to wh,ether the conduct of COACH constitutes cause under this
provision shall not be exercised arbitrarily or capriciously by the UNIVERSITY. In the event of
. such termination, COACH will receive thirty (30) calendar day' s notice of termination or thirty
(30) calendar day's regular pay in lieu of such notice. All compensation, including salary
benefits and other remuneration set forth in this contract incidental to COACH'S employment,
cease upon termination, other than compensation owed COACH for services perfonned by
COACH prior to termination.·
D. Suspension or Othe
Posted on 12/1/09 at 10:06 am to XbengalTiger
quote:
This is an internal investigation, not an NCAA investigation. It could be secondary in nature. Lets wait and see how it plays out before we all go nuts.
Well well well , the "Used Car Salesman" finally gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar!Doesn't matter how "Minor" the infraction is, McCarthy needs to go anyway. I've been calling him (And his type) the "Used Car Salesmen" on here for years. Good recruiter and BS artist that can't technically coach worth a shite. Our WR's are ultra slow in developing and doing ALL the things that receivers need to do on a consistant basis. When it happens year after year, it's coaching. Now, just don't go out and hire another carbon copy of McCarthy because he can recruit. Hire a coach that recruit AND coach these guys up........
Posted on 12/1/09 at 10:10 am to TigerTailsSoup
quote:
14. Failure by COACH to report promptly to Athletics Director any
My understanding is that when Les found out something was rotten in Denmark with McCarthy/Benton he did report it to Alleva. He was told to fire DJ immediately and Les did not. That is where the friction is with Les and Alleva
Posted on 12/1/09 at 10:22 am to Walt OReilly
Can we trade the sticky in for an anchor? The rumor mill is spinning out of control.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 10:22 am to Tiger Ryno
What happened with McCarthy and Benton? I've seen it mentioned here several times before and know about an email that was sent explaining it, but have not heard what actually happened.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 10:26 am to AlaTiger
quote:
but have not heard what actually happened.
Neither has anyone else. If speculation were airplanes this place would be LAX.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 10:27 am to Tiger Ryno
quote:
As for Alleva trying to get rid of Miles, I believe he would like to get rid of him ASAP, but I don't think he's going to push to have it done this season. I'm positive that he will be gone after 2010 unless he wins the SEC
I don't necassarily disagree with you as to him not getting the axe this year but, if Alleva "want's to get rid of him" this would be a good opportunity. May not would have to pay the "buy-out" to Miles this year. If he bases it off of performance next year, then we would be obligated to pay the "buy-out". Could save us a whole lot of money if this is in fact the case...
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